Board Thread:Role Ideas (Mafia)/@comment-33167183-20180318071115/@comment-28112409-20180318083126

Lazuli-Heart wrote: Look, can I get some clarification: Does it's ability activate after one member of the mafia dies or once all members of the mafia die? All members. It says "fellow mafia members", not "a fellow mafia member" so I can only assume it's all of them.

Moving on to the actual review, this role ruins the core concept of the Mafia.

Mafia are meant to work around stronger threats such as protection and neutral killers. No Mafia member should have any sort of attack above Basic, you wanna bring in a role with Unstoppable attack? Let me explain why this is a terrible idea in terms of game balance.

The only point of that Unstoppable attack is to overpower neutral killers and town protectives. NKs already have a hard time winning, they don't need a mafia member dedicated to obliterating them some more. The Mafia should be going after the Town protectives and organizing their priority of targets, not powering right through them. It makes no sense to add a mafia killer that is just a dead vegetable until all the others die when he could be a role that can actually try helping them while alive.

Mafia are meant to get majority, survival of as many members as possible is necessary for them to gain majority and win. They rely on deception more than firepower and are meant to make the best they can with their singular KPN. This role ruins all of that, it has a big fat 0 on synergy with other mafia members. It encourages a suicidal playstyle for Mafia, and that's the worst thing the faction could do. They shouldn't try to get themselves murdered for a discount-price Mafia NK hybrid to finally do some work.

I know Ambusher is a 2nd killer, but Ambusher is a literal joke and almost never manages to get a kill without throwing himself into his demise.

Since Mafia are a faction trying to achieve majority, why do you think a role relying on the death of all mafia members is anywhere near a good idea? It's either kill off all the Mafia and let a discount-price NK win it for the Mafia or play normally with one mafia member's potential wasted doing nothing because he's waiting for his buddies to die.

Even worse, this role has Basic Defense. Why should a Mafia role other than GF have basic defense? The point of giving the GF basic defense is to have a more guaranteed, safe net for the mafia to use, something that doesn't get obliterated outright like all the other mafia. The only reason you put a Basic Defense for this role is essentially to try and turn it into an NK for the Mafia, it serves no legit purpose.

The control immunity makes no sense gameplay-wise. Why would he have control immunity once all other mafia are dead? What's the point of that? He wins with the Witch.

This role is a just a last resort-type of killer that could end up being useless for the most part or downright ridiculous. This role is just a bunhc of NK assets and powers jammed together to make the most awkward killer a mafia could get. This should never be in the Mafia.