Board Thread:Debate of The Week/@comment-28112409-20171018053338/@comment-32881402-20171024002219

NB never really had a positive effect on the game. Kingmakers are never good and Surv serves as the ultimate kingmaker. Many are glad that it was removed from ranked. I forgot to clarify - I'm on team good rolelist.

@Polypies73 Vampires are balanced. They cause harm to both Town and Mafia, quite equally. Since it is most likely to bite Town and do smaller harm to Town (potentially turning confirmed Townies, relieving the game slightly of confirmability. Ultimately, Town still has majority and it is less harmful. Note that the actual turning of he role is irrelevant, as it goes against all other factions) than doing larger harm to Mafia (GF is immune, so the probabiloty of killing is even lower. But killing one from a minority is worse than killing one from a majority, except it is more lilely to hit the majority). Anyway it harms both factions equally. If it harmed NKs then it needs to change since NK is alone and you'd lower the KPN and Town would most likely win.

Vamps are game ruining, not unbalanced. They steal wins, even if you did so well for Town. Doesn't make it unbalanced. So please, don't imply that Vampires aren't somewhat balanced.

The NC alignment, though, is a different story. It is so swingy, being the 'miscellanious' section for role ideas. It can role anythong from a harmless pirate to a horseman of the apolcalypse. It's negative rolelist swing, which is rare, since rolelist swing is what makes the game interesting. NC and the Any slot are the only real examples of negative rolelist swing.

Note that it's 1:21AM and I am on mobile, so I will almost certainly have spelling mistakes in there.