Board Thread:Role Ideas (Mafia)/@comment-32651233-20181110043948/@comment-36539941-20181111224951

While Coven is essentially buffed Mafia, it's only in the Coven DLC and can only appear in those gamemodes. But what also appears in those gamemodes is a buffed town (Psychic, Trapper, generally smarter players). It's only fair that Coven is better than Mafia at least by a bit.

But on the topic of Coven being a lot better than Mafia, yes, it is a lot better '''in terms of kill power. '''When it comes to claiming, deception and making false information, Mafia is a lot better. For example, Consigliere makes an insanely good claim as investigator, while CL's claim of LO can easily be disproved by one person visiting or not. Medium claims are inherently suspicious (Janitor, Necromancer). Blackmailer, if they know how to play and not blackmail until it would be advantagous to do so, can make a very good claim as Spy. Medusa's claim as Psychic can be easily disproven as well, unless they throw some of their fellow Coven's names as the evils, which is going to put suspicion onto said Coven member. Some Mafia claims, such as Consort, can literally only be disproved by a Spy, which may not even exist, due to their insane claim of Escort.

Mafia is based off of the long game - have good claims, prove yourself to the town, etc, while Coven has 2 distinct ways of playing : either lay low until Night 3, where you kill as much as possible, or try and prove yourselves as town in the first 3 days, and kill everyone after Night 3. Either way, Mafia plays for the long run, Coven rushes.

But that isn't to say that all Mafia roles are good in their own way. Heck to the no. Framer is still inherently useless, and Disguiser needs Consigliere in order disguise themselves well. What I am suggesting is that Coven is better than Mafia, but only by a bit. Both sides have their pros against the other.

Disguiser can actually change a game if they disguise themselves properly (preferably as an Investigator or something like that) and have a good will, as players will refer to the Disguiser's will of false info to start leads and possibly even mislynches.