Board Thread:Role Ideas (Neutral)/@comment-30255850-20171015211902/@comment-26234016-20171021172725

First, I just wanted to ask you (politely, I get that it's hard to tell while reading something because you can't hear tones) to calm down. You're making good points, but you don't need to flip out. I have suffered from a short temper at times, although since I'm a mod it's usually someone like Yami telling me to calm down.

Keep that in mind, and also read this for some context.

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I don't think they can defend it well. I think you understood that, but... I did actually detail my position, by showing screenshots of the Making New Roles page, specifically of the role that was created. I. E., I did in fact help them realize that. Again, this role is a bad example. Find a role that I was more harsh/unfair with, and I'll condone that I don't always explain why. However, I take a lot of pride in reviewing roles, and I try to explain my reasons for rejecting. Even if I don't do it well, I always try to do it.

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I agree with you? You make good points, and I don't really take issue with it. Of course I could do that. I simply don't always, because it's not very easy to write a verdict two pages long. That doesn't make it right, but I don't disagree with you here.

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Bad roles should be put down, yes. By the creator. Not you. You don't have the right to tell them their idea is trash and just expect them to drop it. If you see a Firefighter, explain to them why it's bad - assuming it's not a joke - because they clearly don't know why it's not a good idea. You don't need to give a verdict. As a reviewer, it is your sole job to give feedback, not decide the fate of the role. There are only a few people who can decide the fate of a role - BMG, and the creator.  The creator can stop updating the role and let it die. BMG can put the role in the game, or they can decide that it's not what they want for ToS. You, and any other reviewers? You can influence the role, but your verdict is only a suggestion, so it's not nearly final unless the creator wants it to be.  It's just an obnoxious show of power that you don't possess. You have no power over this role unless the creator decides to listen to you.

I agree 100%. I have said many, many times, and even made a forum post about this subject. It was called "The Role of Reviewers" and I've been looking for it but it is difficult to find. (Actually, scratch that. Looked again and found it, the link is here). However, I have also said many, many, times that we act as an optional filter. If you want to go ahead to BMG, fine! The reviewers over there are much harsher, I – and Haw, and Vert, etc. – simply seek to stem the flow.

You could easily shut it down here, and tell them it's rejected without saying why. Then they can take it to the forums, where there are some helpful people - and some that need to learn to review properly too, I wont lie - that will actually take time to explain why the role is bad. They'll help that creator grow into something better, and not just some poor sod who has no idea why they were turned down by people unwilling to tell why they were turned down. Maybe there are people here who will put in all of the effort to review properly, and I just haven't seen them yet. But if there are, then you shouldn't try. If you can't put in proper effort and explain why something is flawed - like Firefighter, your own example - then why should you post at all? You're not helping nearly as much as you think you are, and surely someone else will come along to properly review the role. You have no obligation to review a role, in fact, it's better not to if you think you get to decide which roles are worthy of discussion, and which are just canned and rejected without helping the creator learn.

Well then, now that it's accepted that I agree with you on that point, aside from the harsh language, well... people on the forums aren't as good, just meaner and more detailed. Maybe we have more to learn, sure, the grass is always greener and everything can always get better, but...

I don't think any role reviewer is trying to be malicious. I don't hate people, in fact I'm an extrovert. I do in fact try very hard to help people learn, and if you don't think I'm doing that, why don't you?

You originally said that your problem isn't with role reviewers, it was with rejecting a role. I don't think that's true. You take issue with inexperienced role reviewers who (for lack of a better phrase, and tell me if I'm putting words in your mouth) crush dreams. How about I turn your plea the other way: if you think us role reviewers aren't reviewing well, teach us so we can learn instead of letting the anon sneak by with a Yandere role.

If they get their feelings hurt because of this, that's on them! Roles aren't nearly important enough for anyone to care about, we just show our care through excessive rage (JOKING). Lessons are important to learn, but you can't delude and coddle the creator, either. Rejecting a role is the first of many steps in getting the creator to get better.

And I also want to point out that I have created at least one role (I think I've done more, but only this one comes to mind) if you're able to find the Remnant, I believe it was called, well, I worked hard on it. And it was rejected. And I didn't throw a fit (ALSO JOKING).

Please recall what I said at the top about keeping calm.