Board Thread:Role Ideas (Neutral)/@comment-192.30.95.29-20190110194019/@comment-2601:249:702:77EC:AD64:A2F5:EFD7:4FA1-20190113182248

47.196.114.183 wrote: 192.30.95.29 wrote: Double-Crosser okay

'''Description: A double agent who only works for themself. '''Sounds okay

Alignment: Neutral Chaos Mmhm

'''Game Information: Any, RN, Neutral Chaos, Double-Crosser. '''ok

Attack: Basic Seems alright

Defense: None Interesting choice.

Unique: Yes Sweet

'''Abilities: Select a person to kill, that kill will be shown to be from either the Mafia or a Town member. '''woah woah woah. kill detection immunity? this better be good. '''Attributes: You can only kill a target every two nights. '''slow killer I see. it's NC so I suppose it is okay. '''You can be roleblocked. '''goodie. lord knows we don't need more rb immune roles '''You cannot kill the Bodyguard if you attack their target. '''wait what? you die but the bodyguard doesn't? seems kinda weak. '''You will roleblock the Jailor, rendering them unable to execute you if they have jailed you. '''stop there. You ROLEBLOCK THE JAILOR, while in jail? what kind of stupid mechanic is that? Jailor shouldn't be able to be roleblocked by someone who is in jail. ''' You will kill the Interrogator if they jail you. You cannot attack people that are in jail or are being interrogated. '''I don't care what this "interrogator" is, but it sounds like a jailor rehash role.

Sheriff results will show: “Your target is a Double-Crosser!” It's supposed to be "Your target is suspicious" although having a non detection immune NC is very uncommon.

Investigator results will show: “Your target could be a Sheriff, Double-Crosser, Executioner, Werewolf, Seeker, or Poisoner.” Why hurt sheriff even more. Just why.

'''Consigliere results will show: “Your target turns out to be planning against and with both sides. They must be a Double-Crosser!” '''Seems okay

'''Goal: Survive until the Mafia and Town take each other down. '''What kind of goal is this?

'''Victory Conditions: Wins with Survivor, Pirate, Guardian Angel, Amnesiac, Executioner, Jester, Arsonist, Serial Killer, Werewolf, Witch/Coven, Dealer, Seeker, Juggernaut, Vampires, Plaguebearer/Pestilence, and Bandit. Must kill Town and the Mafia. '''let me get this straight. you win with LITERALLY ANYONE except the majority of the town.

'''Side Notes: Every two nights that you kill someone, who they’re killed by will change. Possible roles include, Vigilante, Veteran, Jailor, and Mafia. To determine what role will be shown on who killed the user you’ve killed, each role is given a 25% chance to be picked. '''No. No RNG. Absolutely not. RNG is terrible.''' Two roles can repeat in the attacks you make (N2 - Mafia, N4 - Mafia). This role is meant to ‘troll’ both the Town and Mafia along with everyone else, causing more blame and random votes to be spread around. An extra idea for this role could have a basic defense, only when the Double-Crosser is not currently able to attack. That’d mean he’d have no defense when he has the ability to attack. The Double-Crosser can attack anyone, like a normal Vigilante, Serial Killer, Werewolf, Pirate, Juggernaut, and Arsonist could. “He has been shot by the Vigilante.” “He has been killed by a member of the Mafia.” “He has been shot from the Veteran.” “He has been executed by the Jailor.” '''Just... Just why?

'''FANDOM: The Godfather threw him out of the family, after finding out they worked for the Town to kill a fellow Forger. The Godfather thought he’d come back, so he spared the deceptive man. The man later that night turned himself in to the Town Jailor, who willingly locked him up for the night to test his loyalty to the town. Dawn came as the Jailor woke up, he found a bunch of empty cells, and found a key that’s been missing from his own body. “What in tarnation that damn fool, he won’t get away with it.” The soon to be Double-Crosser has found his way to the path of treachery, the death of the Scavenger has occurred. TRIVIA: Killing two targets in two nights and the results end up as a Town member killing them will give the Double-Crosser the “Town Destroyer”. Killing two targets in two nights and the results end up as a Mafia member killing them will give the Double-Crosser the “Mafia Destroyer” achievement. Killing two targets in two nights and the results are Town member and Mafia member (Mafia member and Town member), you will be given the “Deceptional Killing” achievement. '''really stupid achievements

Like I said in my Dictator role suggestion, there are some roles not heard of, that's because I never released them. They'll be out once I have a few feedback on few of the roles.

Discord - Creation#8624 for any information regarding these roles, I'll be glad to talk about them more in-depth. Honestly a terrible suggestion. It's interactions and it's end goal are very dumb and makes it really weak. Not to mention the stupid broken ability to roleblock a jailor while jailed. You also can't kill bodyguards that are on your target, so that weakens the role further. This is a god awful role, and would need SERIOUS reworking. Yeah, I kinda see that now. At the time this was one of my first roles I've made. I see the problems about this role and I can agree with you completely. The kill detection immunity and detection immunity is kinda off, and at the time of making the sherrif result I never knew they changed the actual result formatting, which is my mistake. The roleblocking of the jailor was for lore purposes, as in the FANDOM I created for it. The "Interragator" is a very weak Jailor variant who can only be in any other game that doesn't have the Jailor. I understand about how the Bodyguard will survive when the Double-Crosser is on the target, but I did this because of how easy it should be to win with the Double-Crosser as you have many other ways you can kill off both sides (THOUGH this can be VERY hard in a any without very many neutral/coven roles. They has been some ideas that I had to furthur make this easier, but unless I were to take out what exactly makes the Double-Crosser 'unique', then... Yeah.

An idea I've had for it was just to be able to kill anyone who tries to roleblock, both kill detection, and detection immunity are in place. Being jailed no longer will allow you to roleblock the Jailor, however killing the Interragator. The Interragator is just an extra "TI/TS" hybrid so while it serves really no TI purpose it should be considered as a roleblock, so the Double-Crosser should be allowed to kill this role. Another change I can make about it, is victory conditions: Being able to win with all roles but cannot win with Mafia or Town is a LITTLE bit too much... So the goal that you're set with doing is to live until the "MAJORITY" of both Town and Mafia are killed. You will be given a notification when the majority of both the Mafia and Town are killed (Example: 7 Town 3 Mafia 2 Neutral, 4 Town members would have to die, with 2 mafia memebers in order to win. If you are to die before this happens, you will not win. And if you are able to survive until that happens, you will be given the win, like the Executioner and lynching their target successfully.) More changes that can be thought about, the 'RNG' in what role will be shown. If you were able to choose what 'killed' the target, (Which most of the time the best choice would be mafia until there's none left, or someone was RB'ed, this can disrupt town), it can be seen as a little overpowered. So RNG can work. I don't know how being able to code what exactly killed someone based off RNG would work, but the point of the Double-Crosser is to throw the blame, and only being able to put that the mafia killed them seems a little too much. That's why I had the idea of being able to have RNG into what killed them. Otherwise, without RNG the message of a Double-Crosser killed someone, it will make the Double-Crosser's chances of winning very low. My last rework could probably be on the investigator results, but the reason I put this here is because of other roles I've made, and I couldn't think of anywhere else other than the Doctor/Disq/SK results which REALLY hurts the Doctor. I could've put this with Framer Jester and Vampire, but this is WAY too hard for anyone to be able to claim Jester and getting away with it.

(You can find the Interragator here: http://town-of-salem.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:349135)