Board Thread:Role Ideas (Town)/@comment-62.238.196.147-20190226172031/@comment-35195751-20190310154941

62.238.196.147 wrote: Role: Master TorturerAlignment:

(Personal note, I removed the bold font so you could read my comments)

Slightly aprehensive about a role named Torturer in a kid-friendly game but who knows?

Town Investigative/ Town Support, what do you think?

Oh my.

So upon reading the entire thing this should be TS

Attack: None | Defence: None | Immunities: None

Good to know

Unique: Yes

Oh crap, why is that?

Description: Choose someone to torture each night,

Mhm

if that person is jailed you will have a 50% chance of knowing his exact role.

'''Uhhhhh... What?'''

So this   buffs/is dependent on    Jailor?

If there is no jailor in the game (in all any for example) this role will not be possible to get(like the vampire hunter).

'''Oh my, it actually is... Ok first red flag but I'll get to that later (Continues reading)'''

If the jailor dies in the game, you will turn into a vigilante. (I know a lot of you will not like to see RNG added into ToS and I understand that, this is just an idea!)

The Vig part is fine but this role is literally just a Jailor Buff role

WHY DOES JAILOR NEED A BUFF?!?

Attributes: At the beginning of the game you will get 3 names, 1 of which is the jailor.

'''...So you already know who the Jailor is (vaguely)... I suppose that's somewhat fair but couldn't you just use your powers to find the TP and whisper them who Jailor is... all without Jailor needing to reveal? Especially if you can have Jailor just Jail the other people.'''

'''Also Second red flag. This can autoconfirm itself by naming the Jailor or a list of 3 people with the Jailor on it. I'll get to this later as well'''

The other 2 are chosen randomly, so they can be town, mafia, coven and neutral (Is this too OP? Should it be more names?

...no

'''If you're going to have this mechanic, 3 is about right. I don't think the mechanic is good but it should be around 3.'''

Please let me know).

If your target is in jail you will get the message: ‘’Your target was in jail and you tortured them, … (they were strong enough to resist your tortures and didn’t confess their role/ your target could no longer bare the pain and confessed they were a …)’’’.

'''1/2 a red flag added for being a torture role. Jeez...'''

Mechanically I guess this is fine if you like RNG, at least it's 50/50

Your target will know they were tortured (‘’You were tortured by a Master Torturer).

YA THINK?

A lookout will not see you visit and will see the usual message that their target was in jail.

Ooh yeah, that sounds about right.

If the target you picked was not jailed though, nothing happens and he/she will not get the message and you will get the message: ‘’Your target was not in jail so you sneaked away without them noticing’’. A lookout will notice you however.

'''So this ONLY works with Jailor... got it.'''

Investigative Results:

Sherrif: Your target is not suspicious (innocent)

(Yeah it's "Innocent" now)

Investigator: Your target could be a Spy, Blackmailer, Jailor, Guardian Angel, or Master Torturer (should I change this? There’s probably too much townies in this investigator result now)

Nah 5 is fine, some have 5 already

Consigliere/ Witch: Your target visits the jailed and let the people scream in pain. They must be a Master Torturer! (not the best, I know)

Jeez...

Goal: Town Goal

Is this too OP/UP, please let me know. Also, this is my first role so some things may not be right (Description/ Attributes).

Thank you for reading my idea! :)

Ok so where do I begin...

Red Flags:

Ok first off, this relies on Jailor being there


 * So it's most likely to appear in Ranked, the last place you'd want this role...


 * Role dependent roles are virtually never a good idea (Aka why people hate Vampire Hunters)


 * Since this is role-dependent, people will rarely know how to play as this

Second off, autoconfirmability


 * Autoconfirming roles are very very bad news to mafia members who need to stay out of voting range to win.


 * To autoconfirm you need to reveal yourself and the Jailor, this leads to...


 * This role will die a lot. Since both this and the Jailor will be revealed by the time you get confirmed, there is NO REASON not to murder this ASAP. You cannot avoid your fate by simply not claiming, and I will explain the overall problem below.

Thirdly... Torturer


 * Even if this were historically accurate, please do not use this in an otherwise kid-friendly game


 * Even worse, this is a TOWN role, the alignment most associated as the "good guy" faction, You miiiiight send some iffy messages if this is implemented.

And now for ALL OF YOUR PROBLEMS COMBINED

​​​​​​​So lets see how this role would actually be played shall we?\

(And lets use Ranked as an example as Ranked is the mode most likely to have a Jailor/Torturer)

I get the role of Torturer, on day one I decide to

A) Do nothing and hope my target is the Jailed target

B) Copy/Paste all possible Jailors onto the field and hope Jailor claims.

Assuming you went with B, the Jailor must now...

A) Do nothing and hope the Mafia doesn't take advantage of the situation by attacking all Jailors

B) Reveal themselves, and probably state who they'll Jail

Assuming B again, the Town Protective(s) must decide to...

A) Be on the Torturer, as a viable target for the mafia.

B) Be on the Jailor because if the Jailor dies we're all screwed, including the Torturer.

Most TP will choose B.

So from the above example of gameplay we can see that


 * This practically FORCES Jailor meta.


 * The Torturer is fairly useless unless Jailor cooperates


 * Once the Torturer can be useful, he is exposed with a low chance of recieving help

Other notes


 * This is actually a little OP until it dies, since it can insta-determine a role (50%)


 * ...However if the Mafia learns that a member of theirs is Jailed, they'll know that it's time to kill the torturer.


 * Are you seriously torturing your own Town members?


 * Why wouldn't everyone just claim Town when tortured incidentally?


 * This only exists to buff Jailor, Jailor does not need buffing!

Idk, this needs a little rework if nothing else. Sorry If I got overly cynical there.