Board Thread:Debate of The Week/@comment-28112409-20180228113931/@comment-31680260-20180310013600

Spoon King Gus wrote: I was a bit hesitant to say Framer, but there are simply more scenarios where Framer can be useful than there are Ambusher. Framer's existance in the game changes the entire mindset of Sheriffs and Investigators, primarily the former, which almost can't even use mafia claims. Invest now has an immensely troublesome time actually finding the framer, which is a vote for mafia, while Anyone can find the Ambusher. I don't know if the person Ambusher attacks sees the ambusher, thus Medium could figure out, but if that could happen, Ambusher would just be that much worse. Simply not being able to find a mafia member in itself is a fairly powerful ability, as Almost every mafia game is won by Majority votes. I will wholeheartedly agree that the Ambusher is by far the worst Mafia role. But I will not agree with you saying it sucks more than Crusader (which, by the way, is by far the worst Town role - nay, the worst role EVER).