Board Thread:Role Ideas (Town)/@comment-29779988-20161203022845/@comment-29779988-20161203162918

Rexanator3000 wrote: Sorry Mo but this hard counters Escort/Consort. And what about someone who is jailed? I already explained how it doesn't hardcounter escort or consort. If you were to read it... this part of my message above explains it.

"Before you say this is a hardcounter to escort/consort, that isn't true because not all roles require help from being roleblocked. For example, look at Bodyguard, Witch, or Vampire."

Those roles do not require to be roleblocked in order to be helped. If you help a bodyguard and someone attacks them, you would take the hit instead of the bodyguard. With witch, it doesn't matter if they're roleblocked, and with vampire, the consequence is that you'd be bitten for 'helping them out' and I should also mention the other boundaries as you said.

You CANNOT help the transporter.

'''If the role doesn't do anything that night, no message will pop up. If the role isn't a town investigative or anything like that, you would also recieve no message. So therefore, it gives you no indications as to what their role is.'''

'''You actually CAN assist an escort. If they visit the Serial Killer or Werewolf, you would die instead.'''

I don't know if I mentioned this, but if you helped your target with the Veteran, you BOTH would die.

And something else I was thinking but not sure to put in. If you helped Vigilante, you could help them go through night immunity, but here's the issue with that.

It would create an OP vigilante, something town does not need.

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'''Now. To answer your questions for real!'''

1. As I explained above, this actually isn't a hardcounter at all. I'll give you reasons why.

-Say that an escort roleblocked the doctor. The doctor cannot heal the confirmed jailor. The Junior comes by and helps the doctor out. The jailor is attacked and the junior helps, therefore healing the jailor. This actually helps the escort in a way knowing that they didn't roleblock a confirmed townie. This role can do that without possing too much of a threat and adding too much buff to the town.

-You're right about the whole thing with consort. But something I was going to add to prevent it from being a hardcounter is you can assist a consort to roleblock. This just makes sure the role isn't too overpowered and only useful for the town.

-Also as I said above, not all roles can be assisted without being roleblocked. For example, if you assist the bodyguard and they kill their target, you take the hit instead. That does not mean they have to roleblocked at all. The same thing can go with Witch, Vampire, Amnesiac, and/or Jester (possibly...)

-With consort, I was thinking to add more boundaries to mafia. Like for example, you could try to assist a consigiliere and would get their investigation results. But I don't think it would work because then the role would be proven useless.

And your second question:

If that person is jailed, nothing will happen. You cannot perform their task.