Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-28112409-20171002052107/@comment-30105631-20171002104554

Vertroyer wrote: With RPs slowly coming to an end in the ToS wiki (even though we still have pesky advertisers around), kinda leaves a gap, doesn't it?

I guess?

So here I am, coming up with an activity that mixes both fun and ToS-related to make something nice for the community. A debating club, if the title hasn't given it away yet.

'''Interesting concept. How would debating work over text though? I can understand how the actual debate would go, but what about preparing for it? Surely we'd have to do the preperations over discord. And how would teams be chosen?'''

'''I'll keep reading. Hopefully my questions are answered.'''

I took a look at many of the rants, threads, stuff happening recently, and I think it'd be a nice relief getting away from such serious topics. Since most of the people I've seen in those serious threads are triggered, hotheaded, feminazi-like debaters, why not direct all that energy to something enjoyable?

I TAKE THIS AS A PERSONAL ATTACK AGAINST MY CHARACTER ACTUALLY, YOU SHOULD FEEL ASHAMED.

FRIEND.

It'll be hosted on a weekly basis. It could be about roles, comparing roles, game modes, and a variety of other possible ToS topics. We pit 2 teams against each other in a debate that values quality over quantity, and you can sign up to whatever team you want regardless of numbers, since we don't care about people regurgitating the same things over and over again. We care about the things that people add to the conversation, of course.

'''As said before, how many people in each team? If it's unlimited...Well, I know you said you don't care about people regurgitating the same thing, but it will all be the same thing if people don't cooperate whilst writing debates, and the larger the team, the less cooperation.'''

That being said I love the concept.

It could get a board for itself, maybe, could be a side activity to ToTM. I'm gonna be hosting the threads where you'll debate in, I'd like to keep it organized and I'd appreciate if no one copies me. From the moment I post the thread, a 7 day timer starts and you have until then to put out your argument. Joining late? No problem! Sign up whenever you want as long as its before the timer ends!

Would debating count as quality edits for ToTM?

When the 7 day timer ends, I'll make a post stating that it has ended and that any arguments below my post should not be counted, but I'll not close the thread. Why? Well, you can't close a debate without the judges deciding a winner, right?

'''Judges do decide a winner? Good. I hate debates where at the end they're like: The debate counts, not the result. There has to be a result!'''

I will assign judges for the debating club, and they'll come in the end, check out the argument and vote. I'll take only 3 judges, no more, no less. Maybe Yami could finally find something fun to do. Maybe Uli can stop making an edit every 5000 years and actually be a great judge! Could add Zed or Haw as well. I'm choosing judges that are as unbiased as they can possibly be. The judges will not vote depending on what side they prefer, they will judge depending on who has debated better. With 3 judges, the team that has 2 votes on them will win the debate.

'''I recommend Shadow for the position. That is, if he wants it.'''

What do you win for that? Well, flairs are already a thing... so I was thinking of tokens or little trophies that you put next to their flair or name and a counter next to that token/trophy. Everytime they win a debate, plus 1 token/trophy! Thus, why I need the admins to halp me.

'''Tokens? Interesting. I think that people might farm debates though. Maybe make it you can leave 1 or 2 replies to a debate thread max.'''

Of course, if you're joining such an organized activity, you need to also abide by the rules of it, which are:

1- Avoid signing up last moment, and do not sign up for a debate without actually contributing. That's token/trophy racking and you won't be counted in.

Good.

2-I would like to keep this activity unique and one of its kind, please do not copy what I'm doing and try to host one of your own or something like that. I want this activity to remain valuable.

'''Very good. I suggest cracking down on any copycats.'''

3-This activity will have strict removal policies against off-topic posts, random idiots, spammers, and so on. I will not tolerate a single off-topic post until AFTER the debate is over and I've made a post stating it. No going around this rule, or any of the others for that matter.

Incredibly good!

4-If you're gonna try to be some kind of prophet, and you come in trying to be neutral and being like "Hey, this is that, but on the other hand this is that, so idk, y'all need Jesus", then don't bother joining. Please pick a side before you debate, that's the main pillar/point of the club, clash of opinions, not actual triggerfests and people being pissed at each other.

'''I agree wholeheartedly. There should be no one arguing for both side, even if it's as a devil's adovacte.'''

5-Please keep your calm and don't be rude. Point out things that are wrong, that's fine, but do not be rude. If you have a serious incident of being rude af in this activity, you won't be allowed or counted in it for the future.

Great.

Simple rules, very simple rules. Follow them and all can have fun.

Now I hear you saying: "But Vert! You'll run out of topics to debate with in this activity! Its not permanent, its just a dumb temporary lump of stupidity that'll die out anyway!"

You are right, it will end eventually and run out of juice, but its a good activity for the community and I want to have it be a thing. If it does run out, I'll make it like some kind of seasons. A new season starts up when a new update comes? I dunno.

'''I think that debating could actually last longer than you think it will. However, at some point we will run out of good topics to debate, so hopefully we can keep this going as long as possible. Maybe make a community thing where the community gets to vote on the next debate?'''

So, whaddaya say? Also, I need admin help for this to be official. I know, I can make a board and do it all by myself, but I do want opinions and help from admins for the reward thingie ma bobber.

Admins damn well better get in on this!

Tell me whatcha think =P