Board Thread:Role Ideas (Mafia)/@comment-32651233-20181110043948/@comment-36539941-20181110234825

Orecreeper wrote: BobJeff647 wrote: Orecreeper wrote: This is a rework of a role I made a while back. One of it's main problems is that it doesn't help the mafia in voting, so here is a slightly buffed/nerfed version.

Attack: None

Defense: None

Abilities:

- You may resurrect a mafia member.

'''What happens if you revive GF when your Mafioso already turned into GF? Do you get 2 GF's, or what? '''

'''Ig it would fail. But you can resurrect a mafioso when there is a gf.'''

Attributes:

- You may only resurrect twice.

'''Change this to one resurrection. Otherwise, it could cause some problems.'''

Considering it.

- You may only have one resurrected mafia alive at a time.

- You may not resurrect the same mafia member twice.

Fair.

Mechanics:

- Resurrecting a mafia member will give the entire town a notification. However, the mafia member won't be "alive". They will appear as still dead meaning they can't be lynched/shot/executed. However, they may vote. Their vote will not show up, but it will still count. Also, resurrected mafia members change the number of votes required to get someone up.

'''So, everyone'll know that there's a Mortician in the game, and that there's now a ghost that's able to vote and perform all the stuff they want at night. Alright'''

- There are a few ways to kill a resurrected mafia member: it is possible to kill them via an indirect attack, meaning, an attack that wasn't directly targeted at them, such as a Veteran's alert or a Bodyguard counter. Additionally, some things that happen to you will also happen to the resurrected person, those things being: 1. if you die, they die too. 2. if you get blocked/jailed they will too, causing them to be unable to perform their ability.

'''Good. They should be able to die. However, I can easily see that the way they'll mostly be dying, if at all, would be if the Mortician dies. '''

- If all other mafia members are dead but you still have a revive, you get one night to resurrect a mafia member. If you fail, you will turn into a mafioso. If there is a mafia killing resurrected, you will not turn into a mafioso yourself.

'''Alright, fair enough. '''

- Resurrected players can see both dead and living chat.

'''A bit broken for the claim of the Mortician. This one bit can immediately boost Mortician's Medium claim from trash to Confirmed Townie.'''

'''But if there's a real medium/multiple mediums... rip your claim.'''

Investigation Results:

- Sheriff: Your target is a member of the Mafia!

- Investigator: Your target could be a Medium, Janitor, Retributionist, Necromancer, Trapper, or Mortician.

'''Fits the theme, and gives it a limited claimspace. Pretty fair, considering it's forced to claim Medium. But it's Medium claim is probably going to be over the top, considering that the resurrected Mafia can just tell them everything dead chat has, which is kinda Medium's job'''

- Consigliere: Your target uses dark magic to reanimate the dead. They must be a Mortician! First off, evil Retributionists are a big nono. This thing is an evil retributionist that instead of just making them alive again, makes them alive AND near invincible, because they can't die to direct attacks. The main way of killing the resurrected Mafia member would be from killing the Mortician, who has all the info to make the most legit Medium claim you have ever seen, apart from a legit Medium. Quite evidently, a good claim basically grants you the will to live. Plus, the resurrected Mafia member has access to all their abilities once more, including voting. So overall, I'd say it's a bit busted. To make it more balanced, I suggest -

Don't let resurrected Mafia members see dead chat. (Weakens Mortician's claim)

'''Sounds good. Ill consider this too.'''

Don't let it revive MK unless all MK is dead. (So 2 MK's of the same kind don't exist at the same time)

Then kinda makes this role weak...

Don't let resurrected Mafia Members either vote or use their ability (So it isn't as OP)

This would make the role very weak, since as many people from the last thread pointed out, Mafia generally relies on gaining majority.

But either way, it's still an evil retributionist, which is inherently OP and generally unaccepted.

'''​​​​​​​And mafia needs a buff. A big one.''' While I do agree that Mafia does need a buff, I think the reason that Mafia needs a buff is due to the fact that quite a few of it's roles are straight up useless/are crazy hard to use/rely on other Mafia members to do a good job (Framer's just useless, Ambusher's stupidly hard to play properly, and Disguiser relies on Consigliere giving Disguiser a TI to disguise as). What I think should happen is giving Framer and the lot a buff, instead of making new and strong roles. For example, instead of making a strong TI that gets hard countered by Framer to boost Framer's viability, just directly improve Framer's utility, like if LO sees a Mafia member visit someone, instead of seeing the Mafia member's name, they'll see the name of the person the Framer framed that night. That way, Mafia won't suffer if they don't have Framer to counter the new and strong TI, but when Mafia does have Framer, they can go for Jailors and Mayors more often and not risk getting caught by LO.

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