Board Thread:Debate of The Week/@comment-28112409-20180228113931/@comment-26234016-20180308144243

Jallybwan wrote: Y'ALL ALREADY KNOW WHAT TEAM I'M ON 1. Crusader incorporates RNG. It's totally random whether or not it kills an innocent townie or an evil role. The Consort and the Hex Master could walk right past the Crusader while the innocent Investigator gets beheaded.

Yes, they 'could'. But that's also unlikely- it's a 66% chance that Crusader would kill one of the baddies. Yeah, RNG sucks, but your example was sucky-er.

2. It has BASIC attack. That means it can't kill any roles with any sort of defense whatsoever. That means it can't kill: GF, SK, Arso, WW, CL (with Necro), Witch (on first night), PB or Juggernaut (after second kill). That is EIGHT evil roles. Meanwhile, guess how many TOWNIES have defense? ZERO! Even IF (by some stroke of luck - because this role requires luck) it manages not to attack a townie, there's a good chance whatever evil it DOES attack won't even die!

Still, you haven't differentiated it from a randoming vigilante. There is no difference so far.

3. It can kill other Crusaders. Yep. If two Crusaders try and protect the same person, provided there are no other visitors, they will kill each other. GREAT PROTECTION THERE ISN'T IT?!

STILL NO DIFFERENT FROM VIGILANTE

4. It's a waste of a TP slot. Doctor and BG are at least protectors in the sense that they don't murder innocent Townies. Trapper is perhaps less useful, but it still only attacks killers - meaning (like the BG) the only Townie it can kill is the Vigilante. Meanwhile, this maggot-ridden disgusting excuse for a knight is swinging his damned sword around, totally missing the roles it SHOULD kill and beheading every townie that comes for a friendly chat. This lazy excuse for a role isn't protecting anyone - it's doing the Mafia's job for them.

And the Ambusher is a waste of a Mafia Killing slot. Ambusher is still worse.

5. It's a negative utility. In every game I've been in, Crusaders have only killed three evils - two of which were myself. I've been in many Crusader games, and 90% of the time I see a Crusader kill someone, it turns out to be the Sheriff or the Escort - or two Crusaders have killed each other. That's basically like a Mayor lynching one townie a day - which is gamethrowing - only the Crusader can't help how horrifyingly bad it is.

Don't balance off of personal experience. If it's been said once it's been said 1,000 times.

Overall, this useless - less than useless, this DETRIMENTAL pile of garbage is worse than a randomly-shooting Vigilante. I mean that seriously, a Vigilante can only ever kill one other Townie. Crusader could wipe out the entire Town without the evils having to do a thing. It should not only be removed, but cast into the fires of heck to burn in compensation for the many headaches it's given the poor people who've had to deal with its nonsense. You use coulda-woulda-shoulda while still not differentiating it from a randoming vigilante. Sure, there's some flowery language, kudos for that, but still nothing that proves your point.