Board Thread:Role Ideas (Neutral)/@comment-39651156-20190531114541/@comment-39651156-20190601124846

Penove wrote: Lokplart wrote: Role: Corporatist Odd name, but ok Alignment: Neutral Evil Hmm, I like a good NE role like everyone, lets see if this cuts it.

Attack: None, Deffense: Basic (Because you actually live outside of the town, in a really secure skysraper :D) Cool idea.

Abilities: Secretly purchase one house every night. You also have 1 bribe you can give to anyone. '''Purchasing? What does that do? Bribe? Is this NC? Sounds like NC.'''

Bribing: bribe during the day, when night starts you will know if your bribe had any effect, and if it did, it will tell you the effect. The bribe's effect will happen even if you're roleblocked. If the person you bribed is roleblocked, the effect will happen next night. '''Alright? But what does purchasing do? ALSO WHAT DOES BRIBE DO? Maybe say this after we know what bribe does.'''

Bribe Interactions:

-Most roles: nothing -Mayor: Evict two people of the mayor's choosing. the evicted pleople's houses wll come into your possesion (This kills them. Town will see roles but not wills) -Forger: Fake ownership documents to to one house of your choosing -Pirate: Will sell you their house Do they get a plunder out of this? -Jester (if for some reason there's two NE) Will make sure you get their house if they are lynched (You have to bribe the the day before they're die) -Executioner (if for some reason there's two NE) Will sell you their house if you vote their target guilty (You have to bribe them the day before their target gets lynched) (bribe will transform into Jester bribed if their target is killed over night) '''Oh god... I hate role specific things like this. And its complicated. Find a mechanic that works with all, most, or a certain faction. No cherrypicking like this.'''

The bribed person will get the message: 1. Someone attempted to bribe you (If your bribe does nothing) 2. You have been bribed! You have to respect your part of the deal.

Notes:

-You own the house you start with ​​​​​​ -You can't buy houses from dead people. Those belong to the country :D -You can't buy the house of a pirate. because they stole it :D

-People attacking you will get a message telling them you were not home.

-You can't bribe a revealed Mayor. -You can't be transported or witched for the same reason you have your defense. -The escort/consort would convince you to stay in town for the night. You can be roleblocked -If you are roleblocked your defense gets set to None.

-The veteran will be the only one to know their house was bought (Cause they're paranoid :D)

Results if checked

Sheriff: You cannot find evidence of wrongdoing. Your target seems innocent.

Investigator: Medium, Janitor, Retributionist, Necromancer, Trapper or Corporatist.

Consig: Your target is someone you wants to own the whole town. They must be a Corporatist

Goal: Own 50% of all houses in the town (basically you need to buy 7 houses)

After you've aquired 50% of all houses, you win even if you die before the game ends.

More Notes:

Astral Visits still affect you regardless of you being roleblocked or not

Necromancer would be able to use your bribe if you haven't used it

You don't visit the houses you buy so Lookout won't see you. As such, Veteran can't kill you either. Overall, this has a LOT of fluff, and while it has many concepts, THIS ISN'T EVEN NEUTRAL EVIL! At least from what I see, this is Neutral Killing that doesn't have to kill everyone. And another problem, I can't even see very well. The layout and explination of everything is complicated and all over the place. I went out seeing a nice role glimmering far away, but I am having to peer through a cloud of fog to do so. So, here are my thoughts.

Role: Corporatist Name change, a little confusing

Alignment: Neutral Evil '''Neutral Evils win by themself, and are an indirect threat to the town. And should be able to team with the Mafia, Coven, or other Neutrals, to win. If buying someones house kills them, this is a NK role. And if its NK, this is a fluffy Serial Killer. WITH UNSTOPPABLE ATTACKS.'''

Attack: None, Deffense: Basic (Because you actually live outside of the town, in a really secure skysraper :D) '''I don't know what you intend to do, so the Basic Defence can leave or stay, your choice! :)'''

Abilities: Secretly purchase one house every night. You also have 1 bribe you can give to anyone. '''I like the idea of someone purchasing hosues, and the bribe is cool, but should have a little bit of power, or multiple uses. Bribe obviously needs a rework too.'''

'''Right here, tell us what purchasing does. Explain it. In my opinion, purchasing should buy the house, and the player doesn't die. But, maybe allow the player to deliver an unstopable attack to anyone whose house you purchased?'''

Bribing: bribe during the day, when night starts you will know if your bribe had any effect, and if it did, it will tell you the effect. The bribe's effect will happen even if you're roleblocked. If the person you bribed is roleblocked, the effect will happen next night. '''Get rid of "If the person you bribed is rbed, it will happen the next night." crap. Just make the effect happen on the same night as they get rbed. '''

Bribe Interactions:

-Most roles: nothing '''Change this. I have an idea if you want to take it.'''

'''If the player is Mafia (and bribe won't do anything else), anyone the Mafia kills gives you the dead players house as well. If the brided player dies, the effect ends. You have one bribe. This can allow you to gain a huge advantage, but only if you figure out who the Mafia is.'''

-Mayor: Evict two people of the mayor's choosing. the evicted pleople's houses wll come into your possesion (This kills them. Town will see roles but not wills) -Forger: Fake ownership documents to to one house of your choosing -Pirate: Will sell you their house -Jester (if for some reason there's two NE) Will make sure you get their house if they are lynched (You have to bribe the the day before they're die) -Executioner (if for some reason there's two NE) Will sell you their house if you vote their target guilty (You have to bribe them the day before their target gets lynched) (bribe will transform into Jester bribed if their target is killed over night) '''Remove all of these things. Its confusing and silly.'''

The bribed person will get the message: 1. Someone attempted to bribe you (If your bribe does nothing) 2. You have been bribed! You have to respect your part of the deal.

Notes: -You own the house you start with. '''Ok, obviously, but this shouldn't add to the total. ''' -You can't buy houses from dead people. Those belong to the country :D This is fine. -You can't buy the house of a pirate. because they stole it :D Fluff -People attacking you will get a message telling them you were not home. '''Explain? Is this if it hits defence? Then, yeah, this is fine.''' -You can't bribe a revealed Mayor. '''Change this, if you want, to can't buy a reveal mayors house. But I'd say remove it imo.''' -You can't be transported or witched for the same reason you have your defense.''' Ehhhhhhh, I don't know how to feel about this. Remove I think. Maybe Control Immunity would be good though. Your call. Anti trans thing is stupid though.''' -The escort/consort would convince you to stay in town for the night. You can be roleblocked ? -If you are roleblocked your defense gets set to None. ??? -The veteran will be the only one to know their house was bought (Cause they're paranoid :D) ?

Results if checked Sheriff: You cannot find evidence of wrongdoing. Your target seems innocent. This is Neutral Evil, therefore, suspicious. Investigator: Medium, Janitor, Retributionist, Necromancer, Trapper or Corporatist. '''Yeah, this is ok. Keep.''' Consig: Your target is someone you wants to own the whole town. They must be a Corporatist!

Goal: Own 50% of all houses in the town (basically you need to buy 7 houses) Not including yours. After you've aquired 50% of all houses, you win even if you die before the game ends. '''AND preform an unstopable attack to one of your renters. ;)'''

More Notes: Astral Visits still affect you regardless of you being roleblocked or not ? Necromancer would be able to use your bribe if you haven't used it. I guess so? You don't visit the houses you buy so Lookout won't see you. As such, Veteran can't kill you either. '''So Astral visits? Hmm, I don't really know. One hand says, yeah, its ok, other says, no.'''

'''After all of this, I say also just switch things around to make more sense. Also, this still isn't NE, technically. NE has to trick the town into doing something fo your benefit, or at least in my opinion. This does not really do that. BIG MAYBE HERE, but, what if, when one of your tenants dies via lynching, you die as well? This would probably enforce picking Town members over Mafia or Coven, due to Mafia and Coven getting lynched a lot. If this is the case, it should either show you who your tenants are, or not be able to accidentally buy the same house twice. '''

​​​​​Verdict: Overhaul: ​​In conclusion, I feel this is a good idea, that, with some time, can be good.

Sorry if I came off as mean, I am only using constructive critisism. And I'm sorry if I kinda hijacked your role.

Anyway, best wishes, and happy revising! Buying someone's house doesn't kill them. only the mayor bribe kills 2 people because they get evicted.

I understand the need to ally to mafia, and this role can, in the same way that exe and witch can. by voting with them.

I'm fine with removing the special interactions with all the different roles. But i'd like to keep the mayor one. If you manage to find him before he reveals that's two kills. And it wouldn't just be a no brainer, cause the mayor could evict ppl whose houses you already own. so if you find him too late, that can be bad.

The message for not found home is just a way of saying "Yeah m8 you just tried to kill the corporatist". it would take the place of "Defense too high" message for role playing purpouses

You wouldn't be able to buy the same house twice because it wouldn't show the button if you have already purchased it..

Also your idea with mafia kills gets you houses is really good. I will add that in right now.

And yes anti trans wasn't really a good idea. just anti witch and CL.

I was also thinking about killing the person that killed you if you own their house.

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