Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-33167183-20180817003113/@comment-25615841-20180817185738

Betimawesome wrote: 1. It has the most "underpowered" or weak roles out of any faction

- Only counters two roles, rarely happens, countered by

yesiree

Ability does basically nothing, has to be dead which puts you at a numbers disadvantage

mhm

Is almost 100% caught on first kill, by another visitor or a

'''yep. this one needs a buff too'''


 * Not really weak, but does nothing until is dead other than kill.

'''it's the godfather's meatshield. there's nothing else to it. it may be a boring role to play as, but it can come in useful.'''


 * Town will eventually hang you, rarely works, most can't play or will be killed by a.

'''town will eventually hang every role if you put it that way, and the last part has nothing to do with the role needing a buff. It's not the strongest role, but it's far from mafia's weakest as well.'''

roles are all useful, really only has,  don't really count.

coven is pretty balanced, yes, but there's a lot of work to be done when it comes to town.

2. Compared to the ...

oh boy

is the as well as a better  and.

'''It isn't a better consigliere. It's the same. However yes, it is an improved consort. also, no idea what you mean by the first part, the godfather get's to kill people, the cl does not. The godfather has defense. does the cl? nope'''

is, even more so when no necronomicon, because you can determine that the role is or. Literally a for

medusa is stronger, yes, but janitor works in a way designed to confuse townies more than anything else, similarly to the other mafias

is a perma with arguably the most OP ability of killing the ENTIRITY OF NON COVEN, which can be done in like, four or five nights if the  has members and is good.

'''hex > framer? what a discovery'''

is a, , and for Coven, and it can kill alongside everyone else

'''there are many occasions where one might have to kill, reveal, or heal a number of times in a row. strong role? absoloutly, but that doesn't mean it completely replaces any of the other three.'''

distracts, but other than that, it's a nerfed , except unlike , it kills alongside other members

'''distracts doctors? yes, it does, also not killing people. it's just a downgrade from mafioso, though it has its pros.'''

is pretty weak early game, but becomes later game, especially if there's, , , and dying.

again, yes, it's strong

The literally has the potential to wipe out every non-teamate with a, and to get multiple kills a night with  with Necronomicon, , and. The CL is one kill, the poisoner is 0.5 or with a distracted, and PM can gather, heal, and kill people. With a, the town is surely to lose unless they get lucky, or the is bad. Coming from CRP, and in All Any, if there's 4 mafia and 4 coven, the mafia basically can't win without luck on their side. '''here you're basically explaining why coven has a higher kpn and how it can wipe out the entire town. Yes, kill-wise, its's stronger, but mafia shines in constistency and confusin the town. they're meant to be played differently, that's what makes them diverse and interesting, so a direct comparison between the two factions focusing only on the killing potential is unfair.'''

The does not have a version of, , , , or. 3/5 of those roles I listed are above, and they are weak. is only good if the knows what he's doing, and  is pretty good, but it doesn't nearly make up for all the power the  has. '''all mentioned already. forger and blackmailor have more confusiong potential than any coven role, and they can clear suspicion from the mafia members.'''

3. In classic ranked

The has an around 80% win chance. No more information needed here. '''in high elo. in low elo, where the player's are hella stupid it's more like 80% in mafia's favour'''

Yes, while in all Any, there's a low chance of 4 members, even with three or even TWO, it can still be powerful. I've won several times as a solo in  all Any. same goes for mafia, no? how many times will this be posted ;-;