Board Thread:Role Ideas/@comment-68.149.55.74-20160905124354/@comment-68.149.55.74-20160911081145

(Original Poster, here!) I've just realized... what if two Lovers fall in love with each other? Instead of dealing with that, let's just make the role Unique... Laziness for the win!!!

Also, after reading MysticTownOfSalemLover's comment, I think I will change it to NE. Thanks for the input :3

Rexanator3000 wrote: This is admittedly the best ittiration of the Lover role, however. Yay, at least I got that much! I'll take it for what it is :3

Vertroyer wrote: Disapproved.

It's a buddy role. I was under the impression that a Buddy Role was a role that depended upon another player staying alive. That's actually why I added the "you must avenge your dead lover" thing, so that you don't instantly lose if your lover dies. I actually read your post quite thoroughly. Especially the part about trying to " make the role balanced in a way it equalizes this poisonous element"... Well, that's just my interpretation of what you said.

Dongarinos wrote: Okay, pardon how big of an asshole I am, but I'm sick and tired of seeing this. This is like the fireman history, lawyer history, and kidnapper all in one big gathering.

This role is made too much, whether it's guardian, yandere, angel, and some even worse things. For gods sakes, I kid you not, people are getting sick and tired of this role idea. BMG will likely never ever approve of something that is a hard counter to the executioner role.

Don't even ask me how it counters. We don't even need to explain that. I don't think you're being that big of an asshole, but... Umm... Okay, so, I decided to check on all the roles you've listed, and... well... okay, so I see some similarities... But I also see differences. I'm gonna get a bit ranty in my rebuttals, so just remember that 'Lover' (bold, capitalized) means the role and 'lover; (lowercase) means the Lover's target.

Lawyer - You don't choose your lover, and there is no proof of being the Lover. While the Lawyer can stop a trial in it's tracks, the Lover can only sit helplessly as their lover is hung by the town (or the mafia). Not only that, but since a Lover can love mafia and neutral roles as well, this also doesn't prove the lover.

Fireman - I... I don't see any similarities, here... Like, please explain it...

Kidnapper - Umm... sounds like a roleswapper... not really a whole lot of simmilarities there... unless you're seeing something I'm not?

Yandere - First of all, I was under the impresion that that was a joke role. You know, because the allignment was "Joke Role (Anime)"... But, since we're here, might I just say that, unlike the Yandere, the Lover does not win if they die (except for Jester shenanigans)?

As for the Guardian and Angel... I couldn't really find them, but I can immagine them being hard counters to the Executioner... but the Lover was never meant to be a hard counter, more like a soft counter. First of all, unlike the Executioner, who can only target a town player, the Lover can end up being in love with anyone. As such, when an Executioner who was gunning for one guy dies, people assume that one guy is town. On the other hand, defending a Lover's target would cast suspicion on the Lover, if it's not town (everyone would go after the Lover thinking that it's their mafia friend). Second, if an Executioner's target dies at night, they become a Jester and must be lynched. However, the Lover has to avenge their target (and since town can be fooled and mafia can vote to appear innocent, the Lover cannot be placed in town or mafia). Although, I can immagine that, if the Lover's target is revived, the Lover wouldn't need to avenge anyone, any more... But unlike the Executioner, who can have their target lynched twice for an achievement, the Lover wouldn't get anything if their target was revived... except maybe a clean slate, since they don't have to kill anyone anymore?

Anyways, I wouldn't call this a hard counter on account of it not really countering or nerfing the Executioner. On the off-chance that an Executioner and a Lover have the same target (even lower chance in Ranked, now that Lover is NE), it doesn't really change anything. The Lover saying "don't lynch him!" might not do anything to the Executioner's claim (which is why I made it so that the Lover can fall in love with anyone), so the Lover might have to lie about why they don't want the defendant lynched, just as the Executioner does. Although... in the event of an Executioner and a Lover in Ranked... more than likely, the Lover would be lynched (and then, they would automatically lose, since they can't win with their lover, or avenge them... and they deffinitely can't be revived) since "the Exe is the NE, you're lying!"

As an additional but separate point, I also didn't really read up a whole lot of roles before writting this, so I didn't really have any role suggestions I based this on. However, I did read some suggestions just before submitting so that I can see what not to do.

Anyways, I would like to thank you all for your comments. Please, if you have anything to say to this comment, don't hesitate. And if any of you have a difference in oppinion (which is entirely possible), please, argue your point. I welcome it, since it will most likely allow me to make this role better (or abandom it if it really is that bad...) Thank you all :3