Board Thread:Debate of The Week/@comment-28112409-20181230235210/@comment-28112409-20190101211558

Betimawesome wrote: Framer, especially after the perma frames change and sheriff change, is actually moving up on the tier list.

Yes, the chance of there not being a is low, and the chance of there 100% being a  or  is not guarenteed.

But the odds of tricking one have been significantly improved.

It still requires a lot of luck, however

Unlike disguiser.

Who doesn't do shit regardless if it gets lucky. That is such a terrible argument. You even forgot that the perma frames changes didn't go through.

​​​​​​​The changes of a Sheriff or Invest is still not 100% guaranteed and even if they were, Framer at its current state succeeding at fooling an Investigator or a Sheriff is still abysmal. Framer isn't even a good excuse for mafia to wiggle out of a Sheriff busting them because of how extremely unlikely it is for a successful frame to occur. The odds of tricking one have not changed.

You're also shitting on the Disguiser for no reason and with barely any proper points other than "It'z shit even whun loocky, hyu hyu hyu"

DIsguiser has a skill ceiling, believe it or not. You can fool players in Ranked, at ranks higher than silver simply by playing Disguiser the way it should be played instead of sitting like a dumbass thinking that you're Loki, god of deception and disguise and that your grand appearance will instantly fool absolutely everyone.