Thread:Jallybwan/@comment-32783587-20180203164053/@comment-32783587-20180203173231

7. so if you always talk about how life is a gift, then why are you excited to die?

8. you dodged my point. god could make something to give isreal back while not causing a holocaust while not taking away hitlers free will. seems hard to do, but he can do it! so he is practically letting all this happen when he has the power to stop it!

9. i have proven that god isnt perfect... if he was, he would have created something to make the world perfect but we dont learn from out mistakes while keeping our free will with no forced gift. but he didnt, so hes not. youre proably like "shut up with the creating everything argument" but he has infinite power. and you cant prove that god is good; the only think you have said was "his plan" which is ALSO opinionated because you have no way of knowing what is plan is (and you even admitted that)  plus i never said he was evil, heaven seems like an awesome place assuming god is real, but he is certainly not perfect.

10. okay fine- even if it is god at work helping your family out, help africans out who have little water. help north korean citizens out. and plus, if you had just made the world better, there would be no need to fix things. so hes creating suffering just so he can fix it? and before you say "he didnt create suffering" yes he did, he created us knowing some people would end up suffering without intervening, so he indirectly caused it. you might argue "well he created people that might suffer, but they will end up going to heaven anyway, so its worth it" well what about the people that end up in hell, or the people that never end up being created. all this suffering is not worth it. plus, why create suffering if you can create a perfect world? for his confusing ass plan again? why not create something to make his plan with no suffering? he can do it! but he refuses to!

11. FFS god made us KNOWING who would abuse their free will and who wouldnt, and then youre blaming it on the sinners for doing that. why not make everyone a good person, but still able to make choices in life? so he knew that person X would end up murdering someone, for example, so he indirectly created a murderer..... so either a. dont create him, just send him straight to heaven so theres still techically the gift of life b. dont make him murder someone, find a way to give him the gift of life while making him be a better person (but still free will of course) he has the power to do both of those things but lets a murder happen? and how does god create humans, dont their parents do? or does god just create their personalities? like does god say "ok i will make this person" or does he not? either way god has the power to make the world better.

12. you think  the world is good? go to africa and youll see hunger. go to syria and you WILL see people wreaking havoc and strarting wars.

13. fuck. i just read this. IF U DONT KNOW WHY GOD DIDNT MAKE ANYTHING GOOD then why do you say you KNOWWW why god IS good? its ALSO speculation that is god is good. if you cant prove why god isnt doing stuff, then how can you prove that hes a good guy? if you say its his plan, then he could make something to make his plan better. if god was perfect, we would have a perfect world, or, at least he had the POWER to, but refused to and just let suffering happen!!!!!!!!! "you need bad things to see the good in this world" is completely false in this scenario, because guess what, god ALSO has the power to erase that and make everyone live happy. and dont say "well everyone being happy isnt always the best thing "then WHAT is? WHAT is better than everyone being happy?

14. he creates people KNOWING they will end up in hell, so why not NOT create then at all and send them into heaven, or intervene and make them be a better person? its not forced gift if youre literally stopping someone from burning forever, its not "no free will" if you can intervene without taking away their free will, there's no gift of life if you end up in hell. does god really value all of those things over stopping someone from suffering FOREVER? and my OPINION is that thats invalid. you dont have an OPINION on anything, you just ignore all the things god doesnt do and say "well god is perfect so i know theres a reason" no you dont know anything if he has infinite power. if hes so far ahead of us in terms of power, you cant prove anything about him.

15. god, thank you for all the good things you have done. you get credit for that. but you also get credit for the bad things. how do i know its gods fault for this? "god is in everything." that means hes in the bad things too.

16. where else would the sinners go? in heaven! you said theres no sins there, so i guess all their sins would be erased as soon as they got in... if not, then hell is not perfect like you say. so either hell is unjust or you are wrong. there would be no purpose for hell if god didnt create people knowing they would go in hell. just create good people (like i keep saying) while keeping all your rules like free will and forced gift. or at least fix the bad people when they are about to do something bad. HE CAN DO IT.

17. god's prescence is good? how do you know heaven is good, or anything about heaven? god didnt write the bible....... and if hell is lack of god, that invalidates your "god is in everything" argument once again! stop contradicting!

18. im not taking about athiest not seeing god, im talking about people that dont even know christianty exists. youre literally blaming those people, but they dont know any better, not that they dont want to. how can you not want to do something if you dont even know exists.

19. the barder analogy is only valid if the suffering is BECAUSE of no christianity, which i have already proved to be false (people dont even know that chrstianity exists, and theres many people that are chrsitian that suffer)  and one fucking again god, make something to make less suffering but not making less forced gift.

20. you criticize me for logically saying god isnt real, but you know god is real because of your logic! you got touched during a song right? so logically, god must be real then. so youre using logic too- i could say the same thing right back at you- just because you logically think it would make sense for god to touch you at that time doesnt mean he did. and you cant say" but i KNOW GOD is real!" because you dont know you just really really think it.

21. "No, I understand what you're trying to say. I was asking for proof of that one person being wrong. (Which you still haven't provided.)" huh? can you please explain this?

22. NO! people that go to hell might be denying it and fighting for what they originally velieved in, like hinduism or something. still they are dumb, but do they really deserve to be in hell?

23. if god wrote the bible then how did it get lost in translation, god would not do that