Board Thread:Debate of The Week/@comment-28112409-20171002232846/@comment-32881402-20171030191936

Jallybwan wrote:  Arso vs WW - WW wins  Both go through Basic defense, but the WW can attack far more frequently. The Arso's detection immunity is only a half-advantage anyway, and the WW has a slightly better investigation result. And in the absolute worst-case scenario, when outed, the WW can bargain with the Town - offering to kill Basic-defense enemies in exchange for its life. Arso can't do that, since the Town can't trust it (nobody can tell who's doused, and the Arso would have already doused a few people at that point).

WHAT WHAT WHAT NO NO NO HOW THE FUCK

'''WW is awfully UP and swingy. Its regular attacking means nothing since it has very limited claims. With Arso, you can claim anything and just say you were doused. It gives such an easy claim. WW is EXTREMELY confirmable and claiming in its results could be suicide. Arso is so much easier claim-wise.'''

'''Killing basic-defense scum? That's what the trials are for. In the end, the role is swingy so this could be just helping the Town, or fucking it over. '''

'''In the end, Arso has a much better time claiming and it can frame people. Its KPN starts low, but increases after time. It just needs to stall, which it can do with such an easy claim. It's now not confirmable and might raise suspicion on inactive players. In the end, WW is swingy and might be good or might be a nerfed SK. Arso is different and offers a new way to kill.'''

 Vig vs Vet - Vet wins 

Vig only has Basic attack, Vet has Powerful. The Vet can kill multiple evils in one night, and even if it kills a townie or two, it's instantly confirmed. Vet is almost impossible to claim as a Mafioso, but Vigilante... it's the most common claim. And even if you end up killing an evil as Vigilante, you can't reliably confirm yourself without dying. Veteran, once revealed, is often safe for pretty much the whole game up until the end, at which point it becomes a guessing game.

And let's not get started on the randomly-shooting idiots that make up 70% of Vigilantes. At least the Veteran can't randomly and intentionally kill townies.

'''Vet's unique for a reason. It's too powerful. The only thing balancing this is negative utility. It's known for being powerful (and swingy, but generally in a positive way) since it can vet-bait and all. But yeah - this isn't a debate at all.'''