Board Thread:Role Ideas (Town)/@comment-29649954-20170317231838/@comment-30088034-20170318205124

Bismuth Queen wrote: l like the idea of three people too, but the chance of getting "Same Result" would become minimum. Upon the off chance of getting "Same Result" upon investigating 3 people, they are either 3 town, 3 mafia (mixed in with framed), or 3 neutral. It would become too vague to be playable in my opinion, and the average player would never want to play a role with complexity.

'''I thought that would be a good idea at first, but it's be too underpowered as you said. the chance of getting same results is too low. Maybe there could be some way to buff it, but then it'd be too complex.'''

Also in my opinion, the circumstances that Yes I'm Single described (Investigate Town and Mafia, says "Mixed Results" - Town dies that day and reveals that they are Townie) is rare. It's the same offchance of a Sheriff randomly finding out who's SK day one. All roles are inbalanced and have that one circumstance that makes them incredibly lucky or unlucky (i.e. Jailor jailing a Serial Killer Night 1). I think that, from that point of view, it is still somewhat balanced since all roles have their moments, and that is said moment.


 * Well, yeah, the chance of them dying that night is rare, but remember, as long as they die ANYWHERE in the game, you can remember your info and declare it when they die. Sure, some players who are inexperienced or not paying full attention might miss it but the chance of them making it into the finals is, well, assuming they have talked an average amount, low. And even if you do die people could read your will.

It is purposely meant to work well with Mayor. Making them unable to investigate Mayor with another role makes sense for balance reasons, but I don't understand how they couldn't be able to investigate Jailor with another person (like what Desertstorm said). Can you tell me what you mean by being unable to compare a role with Jailor? If you mean that you literally cannot and the selection for it is not there, then that means you know who Jailor is Night 1.


 * I... wasn't thinking there lol. sorry. What i meant to say was... it could be any confirmed town, but confirmed mayors and jailors are the most common. but still, as I said, you could confirm yet MORE townies if you investigate someone with a mayor, which is not needed in an op faction. Not only that, you can also figure out if they are neutral or mafia which is a lynch. seems OP in that case

I'm glad that this role isn't being hated on. If you have any suggestions to make it better, I would appreciate it.


 * maybe do the three people thing... but you will also know if they are ALL different (town maf neutral) but it still might be underpowered, idk. Post it on the forums what are you waiting for!

For FirePyre's suggestion, I think this would make it too strong. If you find Same Result for 2 Neutrals, you have no reason to not hang them unless they claim Amnesiac - which even then is still suspicious. Almost all Neutral roles need to be dead for Town to win. Mafia would be slightly less as bad since Framers exist.


 * Well, you wouldn't know that unless one of them dies, which leads to the problem of opness (say that out loud) above.

Some ideas I have to fix it or to add something to it are the following, but they're not added in for a reason. Again, I'm not a balancing wiz, so maybe one of these ideas should've been added in.

Also, NotWaffle, do you have any idea for fixing the invest results?


 * maybe sticks to the shadows?

(1) Ability to choose between 2 and 3 people. Getting 2 people with the same alignment gives "Same Result". Getting 3 people with the same alignment gives "Town!" "Neutral!" or "Mafia!" (Includes framed results).


 * so there's no "different" alignment? seems up.

(2) Ability to choose between 2 and 3 people. Getting 2-3 people with the same alignment gives "Same Result". Getting 3 people with one for each faction (One Town, One Mafia/Framed, One Neutral) gives "Scattered Results".


 * what about 2 and 1?

(3) Ability to choose one person every night. Upon choosing two people to compare, gets "Town!" "Mafia!" (Including framed) "Neutral!" or "Mixed Results". This means you get results every other night if you investigate every single night.


 * too UP, you could only investigate 4 times in an 8 night game.

(4) Possibly change it from Town / Mafia / Neutral to Not Killing Role / Killing Role (???)


 * no. hardcounters NKS>

Edit - Fixed "Role Type" to Alignment.

Edit - Added it to Attributes, as DesertStorm suggested. Sorry if it's not added in properly, I don't really know what counts as an Attribute, I never pay attention to those.

in conclusion, I still think this a good idea, you should put it on your forums. 2 targets seems OP, 3 targets seems op. So maybe you could make it 2 but nerf it, or 3 and buff it. I like the former better, otherwise it's be too complex. if you could explain more on your changes that'd be great
 * those small mistakes don't matter to me.