Talk:Framer/@comment-5203179-20170423102404/@comment-2.235.113.90-20170507214526

Point one can be solved by making the whole framing process ineffective if the target is voted/decided to be killed, pretty much like a forger and janitor going on the same guy.

On any other instance, framing will work as it always did, even if the target isn't killed, other TIs may still take the bait and call out the framed one should they spot it, which will also make mafia find out the TI if they expose themselves, as usual.

I don't really know why should this Framer guess the target of a NK. The framed status would still reset every night so it would be pointless to guess who will an arso visit, he also wouldn't want to make too many people die framed or his cover would blow especially if the Framer is a "confirmed" town, and he won't abuse the fake TI claim to get as many people as possible since it'll turn against him on the long run.

Wills are usually faked by evil roles; true, townies could decide to confirm the veracity of the will's words, so it'll be only truly effective on earlier days when town has less information to work on making the Framer a more active role early to secure some safety into late game, making his role as middleman easier. He could also combo with a forger should there be one, that way they could go together against higher priority roles, or with a consigliere to make use of lower priority roles with useless wills as bait, RNG permitting.