Board Thread:Debate of The Week/@comment-28112409-20171011055146/@comment-25615841-20171017190251

Wolviller111 wrote: SpacedefenderX wrote: Jester has no disadvantage if you are convincing enough, but surv with no vest makes it weaker, speacially with all those killing roles, some of them hang surv because they have no one else to hang, and there is always the juggernaut Jester has no disadvantage if you are convincing enough? Fine... Tell me: What disadvantage does the Survivor have?

'''Hmmm, idk, maybe the fact that its completely powerless against a faction which wants it dead, presumably because of the survivor voting against them? Even saying im not siding with anyone please dont kill me, will probably attract someone to kill you to change the situation with votes.'''

Excactly.. none at all even if they are not convincing. If you want to argue: "But you have 0 vest when turned Surv" that argument is completely invalid. The jester can be killed just as easily.

'''Yeah. It can be killed just as easily, but the jester actually wants to die, unlike the survivor. Even if it has equal chances of dying at night, even though almost never to Mafia, Coven or NKs, they have a huge advantage at day, since they actually want to be killed. '''

'You could argue; but nobody wants to kill a jester'', then yes, but if your persuasive enough, you can easily do it, or you could team up with a faction to help kill their opponents. '''

Especially since townie roles might focus you to get rid of a troublemaker while the killing roles could still kill you randomly (which i assume your argument was)

'''Townie roles can focus you at night only. This isnt the case for surv.'''

What i am saying is: I don't see what advantage the jester has over the Survivor, because i think the surv has a slight advantage

I don't see what advantage the jester has over the Survivor,

It's not being able to be killed at day.