Board Thread:Role Ideas (Neutral)/@comment-78.68.107.156-20170525180007/@comment-28112409-20170605105404

Volf049 wrote:

Vertroyer wrote:

Volf049 wrote: I mean, there are already roles that are almost just copies of other roles, ie godfather and sk. No...just...just...no

They are not almost copies of each other, they're just not, boi.

1-They're in different factions

Weren't you the one who said this wasn't a valid argument when it came to making roles different?(I know this is a contradiction fallacy. Just go with it...)

2-The GF has a night chat with his respective faction, the SK doesn't.

See counterargument uno

3-The SK is above the GF in the stalemate detector.

Well, someone had to be

4-The GF is undetectable by the Sheriff, while the SK is.

Okay, I pretty much forgot about that entirely

5-The SK kills his roleblocker, whether it's an Escort, Consort or a Jailor who doesn't execute. The GF doesn't do that.

'''This is the reason I said ALMOST. We all know that a few differences doesn't make something NOT a copy'''

6-The GF is unique, and you can only become a GF by being promoted from Mafioso. The SK is not unique.

Fair point, although SK is nearly always alone, making it kinda unique in most game modes

7-The GF can't kill directly during the presence of a Mafioso and has to order him to do so in addition to depending on his Mafioso's death note. The SK does all the work by himself.

Not even close to copies, AT ALL.

... Suuuuure 1-Yes, I said this was an invalid argument to use for role re-hashes, but I never said or meant anything about it in terms of comparision between in-game roles.

2- Directing me to your first argument just shows how you misunderstood the main point of this one. The point was not factions, the point was night chat, it's a significant undeniable difference.

3- Still a difference >_>

5- I was disagreeing with the "almost" part, that's why I listed as much differences as possible >_> They are not few, and even if they were, doesn't make it a copy. I dunno what game logic you're using, but in ToS, one proper difference (other than factions) is all it needs to make a role different. Even if it was a case of role Y being a buffed version of role X just because of that one difference in 1 mechanic, it's a difference no less, and the role is technically not a copy.

Don't "Suuuuuure" me, that rubbish doesn't work with anyone here, that's a proper sign showing you don't have anything good to follow up with.

You also made the mistake of saying SK and GF are "almost" copies in the first place, a statement that most game veterans wouldn't even bother to consider agreeing with. If you just gave out the example of Consort and Escort, I would've just let you be because then it would've been more than true, I maybe would've even gone as far as saying they're absolute copies of each other, but GF and SK are not "almost" copies of each other, and there's obvious evidence in there that seals it.