Board Thread:General Ideas/@comment-50.37.87.54-20181222195113


 * Role Dependency - Any role that requires another role to be in the game.                                    Vampire Hunter
 * Hardcounters - Any role that exists purely to counter or nerf another role.                                     Vampire Hunter
 * Re-hashes - Mafia/Neutral versions of Town roles or vice-versa.                                                    Escort and Consort
 * Night Chat Roles - Any roles that allow multiple roles to chat at night, especially the Town, should not be done. It also heavily conflicts with the Mafia, Coven, Vampire, and Jailor night chats.                                                                                                                                                 Medium
 * Slightly Changed Role - Any role that is extremely similar to an existing one.                               This one's okay I think
 * Independent Mafia Killing - Any Mafia Killing role that kills on its own, giving Mafia two kills.       Ambusher doesn't count
 * Buddy Role - Any role that requires another specific person to survive to win.                               Guardian Angel
 * Conversion Role - Any role that converts other people into its own role. This excludes Vampires.                                                                                                                           Why exactly does it exclude Vampires?
 * Night Immune Town - Any Town role that is Night Immune.                                                           Yeah, that would be bad
 * Combination Role - Any role that is a combination of other roles.                                                  Potion Master, Potion Master, and Potion Master
 * Self-Confirming Town - Any role that can confirm itself as innocent easily.                                   Mayor, Jailor, Transporter...
 * Evil Retributionist - Any role that can revive Neutral, Mafia and/or Coven roles.                           That's okay
 * Roleswapper - Any role that swaps/changes others' roles.                                                             Amnesiac
 * RNG Role - Any role that depends on random chance.                                                                   CRUSADER
 * Visitor - Any role that has a win condition involving visiting other people. (An example of a bad win condition would be "Visit 6 Townies").                                                                                        Why exactly would someone use this...?
 * Copycat - Any role that uses other role's night abilities. This can also have similar qualities to Amnesiac.                                                                                                                                     Well, if someone's pirated...
 * Survivor Rehash - Any Neutral Benign role whose only goal is to survive to the end of the game.                                                                                                                                                Survivor
 * Neutral Investigative - Any Neutral role that investigates people.                                                  True
 * Non-Evil Neutral Evil - Any Neutral Evil role that cannot win with the Mafia or (other) Neutral Killings, or can win with the Town.                                                                            So Jester and Executioner don't win if town wins...?
 * Non-Benign Neutral Benign - Any Neutral Benign that kills.                                                          Yeah, that'd be bad
 * Omniscient Town Killing - Any Town Killing role that can only kill evil roles. (it can't mess up)     Vampire Hunter
 * Omniscient Neutral Killing - These are roles that can only kill Town, Mafia or Coven. They are less powerful than Omniscient Town Killing roles but are still bad.                                                   I guess...?
 * Limited Neutral Killing/Suicide Bomber - Any Neutral Killing role that has a limited number of kills or commits suicide.                                                                                                                    Horrible role idea, I agree
 * Negative Utility - Any role that hurts its faction more than it helps it.                                              CRUSADER
 * New Alignments - Do not make new alignments or factions to the game. Your role idea should have an alignment that exists in ToS, not a custom-made one by you.                                            a.) Coven b.) There's a set up where we can show off factions
 * Breaking the Trial System - Any role that can mess with the process of reporting players, such as the Pre-1.5 Disguiser. Note: This stipulation is referring to the system of reporting players, NOT lynching players.                                                                                                                       Disguiser
 * Town Plus - Any role that actively buffs the Town or nerfs non-Town roles.                                    Mayor
 * Day Controller - Any role that controls what another role does at day, E.G. speaking, voting, etc.                                                                                                                                                    Blackmailer
 * New roles in the " Town Power" Alignment: - The point of the Town Power suggestion is to reduce excessively powerful roles, not make more of them.                                                            What is "Town Power"
 * Overly Complex Role - If it would take way too long to program, it's probably not worth suggesting. (If the role is complicated, this doesn't count. The rule applies only to the programming process of the role.)                                                                                                    I'm not even gonna mess with this one
 * Very Very Small Role - Any role that is missing a lot of format needed will not be accepted.         Sheriff: You will know if your target is suspicious.
 * Suppliers - Any role that gives any forms of protection or bullets to another role. These are rejected since it mainly buffs Townies. This does include roles that give the Necronomicon earlier than night three.                                                                                       Giving the Necronomicon early is rejected because it buffs townies...?
 * Reverse "Any" - Any role idea that counter reacts with roles' day or night abilities(Ex.Escort robs but it gets counter reacted with the robbing making the person robbed but unrobbed. It would cause an infinite loop causing a crash in the game)                                    I'm sorry, what?
 * No Plagiarism - Any roles that are from a different series (i.e. Jabberwocky as a new Neutral Killing role). We don't want BMG getting sued. They used ideas from other games, but made them unique.                                                                                                                     Okay, cool.
 * Postmortem Lookout - Doesn't have much use since it relies heavily on Mediums or Retributionists and isn't a good idea.                                                                        I agree.
 * Role Fluidity - Any role that fluidly changes its own role is a bad idea, especially if it changes factions.                                                                                                                                             Amnesiac
 * Mafia Protective- Any Mafia that is copy of any Town Protective or protects Mafia in any way is most likely not going to work.                                                                                                            This is okay.
 * Neutral Killing Robbers - Any Neutral Killing that prevents other factions from killing.                  Agreed.
 * Anything messing with the Necronomicon Don't make Coven roles that alter or circumvent the rules of the Necronomicon or that use Necronomicon but are not Coven.                                 Like that thing with coven getting the Necronomicon early?
 * Lovers - Any role that makes 2 people fall in love and have them die from their Lover's dead will be rejected because it promotes gamethrowing. This is also just the Lover's Game mode, we don't need a role that is just a Game Mode.                                                                                      What if we want a "Game Mode" that doesn't involve having all those killers?
 * Rivals - Similar to Lovers but has 2 people in the boxing ring and they fight each other will be rejected because of it being would cause a lot more chaos than needed. This is also just the Rivals game mode in a nutshell.                                                                                                       This just makes no sense.
 * Automated Role - Do not make any roles that automatically kill/harm their targets. One example would be an Arsonist rehash whose targets instantly die after dousing 3 people. This takes the whole "gameplay" element out of Town of Salem.                                                            What about Serial Killer killing the roleblocker?
 * Depowering Role - Do not make any roles that can take away someone else's ability temporarily or forever. These are rejected for generally being Negative Utility to their faction as well as being OP in overall.                                                                                                               True.

Specific Roles to Not Create

 * Firefighter - This role is a Arsonist hardcounter, and would be an omniscient role as it can only specifically conflict with the Arsonist, along with being role-dependent.                                           The Firefighter would un-douse people right?
 * Werewolf Hunter - Basically the Firefighter of Werewolves.                                                           I see "Any 'Hunter'" right below. Couldn't this just be over there?
 * Any "Hunter" - If you make a role that is only designed to kill a certain role, it will get rejected for hardcountering.                                                                                                                            Vampire Hunter
 * "Yandere & Senpai" - These two go hand in hand, usually if the Senpai dies the Yandere must kill whichever faction killed it. This is a prime example of a "buddy" role.                                         Like a Guardian Angel who's salty AF
 * Cupid - A role that makes two people 'fall in love', IE of one dies so does the other. This role promotes gamethrowing, so it generally gets rejected. This includes if you are the final players and are forced to decide between your Lover and Faction.                                                              You've already talked about this.
 * Hobo - This role is a Survivor, but has to visit other people's houses. Otherwise, it will commit suicide. These get rejected for being a rehash of a Survivor and for similar variations.                   You've already talked about this.
 * Vote Buyer - The concept of a vote buyer is that you visit someone, and then the next day use that person's vote for them. This concept is either too overpowered (allowing you to vote someone twice) or too underpowered (making your vote Away From Keyboard while you take over that person's vote). This also breaks the trial system due to "gamethrowing" players.            Can't argue with that.
 * Vote "Stopper" - Same as a vote buyer except instead of controlling people's votes, it stops people from voting altogether. These get rejected for countering Town too much as it takes away their only effective way of killing.                                                                                                       Cool.
 * Hangman - Any role that takes away the noose during the day. This gets rejected for the same reason as a vote stopper. It's usually best not to make any roles that mess with the voting system.                                                                                                                                              Why aren't you just putting that in the "Vote 'Stopper'"?
 * Mafia Transporter - A member of the Mafia that has the mechanics of a Transporter. This gets rejected for being a rehash and usually being overpowered.                                                           We already get no rehashes.
 * Postman - Any role that can send private messages to other players. These get rejected for being self-confirming.                                                                                                                        Anybody with night chat.
 * Plague Doctor - A role that can cure one person per night from the plague.This gets rejected due to being underpowered, as the Plaguebearer's disease spreads through visiting and being visited and making the same person infected again is easy.                                                            I agree.
 * Nurse - A role that basically copies Doctor but works with the Mafia.                                              You've already discussed this.
 * Fighter - A role that pins 2 people together to fight each other in a night. This will most likely to be rejected because it would cause too much chaos and for being a Pirate rehash.                       FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
 * Kidnapper/Mafia Jailor - Any roles that is similar to Jailor is an automatic rejection because because it is too OP and would cause paradoxes, like if both of them jailed the same person or Jailor jailing Kidnapper or Kidnapper jailing Jailor or both of them jailing each other.                  That makes sense 