Board Thread:Debate of The Week/@comment-28112409-20171018053338/@comment-31680260-20171022082831

Latest phuckin join ever - Team Bad!

Let's not forget what ToS is in nature - a game. Games are played for fun, are they not? Therefore, while a game should indeed be balanced, it must first address the entertainment it provides. It's impossible to please everyone, but I think I speak for many people (as evidence by the 3v8 status here) when I say that as a community, the update wasn't very well-liked. If they were going to introduce this list at all, they should have at least made the old list an added gamemode.

Some people like the new list, and at the end of the day it's a matter of opinion. However, the update removes many roles from being in the game, and most of said roles are fun. Survivor offers the ultimate neutrality, it doesn't care who wins as long as it's left alone. Amnesiac is quite literally a wildcard, and it can swing the game in favour of one side or the other - so there's really no boredom there unless you die early on (which is true of almost any role). The Any slot, which is the only way Vampires could even exist, added a little more mystery, which befits ToS very well.

While this new list is supposed to be balanced, what it actually does is remove much of the claimspace for evils and add a crap-ton more Townies. The Any slot, whilst a hard claim to make, was at least a claim in the first place. Now evils can't even claim Survivor, which makes Witches perfectly phucked. If an Invest finds one of those Witches? Good game, Witch, since VH can't exist without Vampires either.

TL;DR, the new list just doesn't fit ToS as well as the old one.