Board Thread:News and Announcements/@comment-25646419-20181205140825/@comment-27575896-20181205184434

DragonClaw66 wrote: WolfiZee wrote: Now that i think of it, the buff further compliments this change. Now instead of saying "I just so happened to have been targeted by the on this exact night where the  attempted to interrogate me" when your framed, now it means "I was targeted by the  some time before the  attempted to interrogate me", which sounds much more likely than before. Perhaps claiming you were framed may be an actually viable defense.

Can the purge Frames tho? The Framer buff didn't go through. After discussion on the forums, it was decided to be unbalanced because it increases the chaos when it comes to what investigative roles are effected (only the Sheriff and Investigator). Instead of permanent frames, the Framer is most likely going to get a "frame and focus" ability where the Framer can choose to targets and will have the ability to fool all Town Investigatives. Example:

The Framer frames the Medium and focuses the Escort.

- A Sheriff interrogating the Medium thinks that the Medium is Mafia.

- An Investigator investigating the Medium thinks that the Medium is a Framer, Jester, Vampire, or Hex Master.

- A Lookout watches the Escort and sees the Medium visit them.

- A Tracker tracks the Medium and sees the Escort visit them.

- A Spy cannot see the Framer visit.

- The Psychic sees the Medium in their evil vision (there must be an actual evil) and cannot see the Medium in their good vision.

This buff isn't confirmed to be added in the future, but it is the most likely one. When was anything mentioning the ability for the framer to have two abilites at night? This was a SUGGESTION, not something said by the devs or something that could be taken into mind. Plus, it ruins the whole point of some roles to be logical and lore-fitting. Don't state what "this role will most likely get" if it's just a suggestion made by you or someone else.

Here's why I HATE the "focus" part since it makes ZERO sense and affects the game and makes a lot of roles extremely confused on what the hell actually happened. The Framer is supposed to make someone look suspicious, not make another role think they visited someone else or make literal visions become corrupted with a piece of paper.

How the hell would a Psychic be fooled by a piece of fucking paper when they receive VISIONS of who that person truly is?

Why would a Spy be able to see all other members of the mafia visiting someone, but not this one person?

Why would a Tracker be confused on who the hell they actually followed?

Why the hell would a Lookout see someone else visiting them and their EXACT NAME visiting them when they never opened the damn door into their targets house?

The Investigator lore and Sheriff lore fit into this. Investigator searches the house. Sheriff searches the house and interrogates them.