Board Thread:Townie of the Month/@comment-27575896-20180501201028/@comment-32881402-20180508201633

ZedKiller13 wrote:ProfessorArceus wrote: That just won't work. It's your responsibility to do that as a Moderator, but not ours as a community. You act like we will all fucking interrogate nominees and know everything about them. No! We are a community which votes for someone simply because they look like they're doing work and being friendly. Hell, we don't have to even do it for that if we implement your opinion. We can just say "this guy is eligible imo". '''What if I told you that I voted for TheSheriff1 because I liked the fact that they have 2 "f"s in their username, and a "Sh" sound? There's nothing stopping me from doing that.''' So we have to make sure they're doing hard work with solid eligibility, in the form of something relatively objective. Now we know that they're helping a decent amount, they can deserve to be ToTM. We aren't lawyers. We aren't detectives. What did you expect? 1. It's interrogating someone to look at contributions they've made? And it's nice to see people still assume every single idea I throw out is something that ruins the entire point. Thanks. '''It was an exaggeration, but my point still stands. It isn't my job to look at their contributions. It's my &lt;u&gt;choice&lt;/u&gt; to vote for someone who looks at a glance to be a cool candidate. I also have a &lt;u&gt;choice&lt;/u&gt; if I do or do not want to look into it any further than that.  Stop taking this so personally. I get that some of your suggestions don't succeed - this is just another one of them. We all think that something will be a great idea, then someone explains why it isn't such a great idea. I'm not commenting on this thread because I HATE all of your suggestions and HATE you as a person. I don't - that's why I haven't said anything remotely disrespectful, as far as I can tell, to you or anyone else here. I was shocked that people said that I was 'slamming' others, since I didn't ever intend to be rude. Maybe it's just my general attitude, and for that I do apologise. I appreciate the fact that I'm not a very jolly person, but please don't take this personally. ''' 2. That isn't relevant. We don't do that, period, nor ever have. '''It is relevant. Again, it was an exaggeration. My point is that people can vote for others because of smaller things, or less relevant things than edits and friendliness. Even if people don't do it conciously, it's inevitable that smaller things will affect our judgements, even if only a little. It vaires from person to person - I could be extremely concerned about the minute things and make my vote based on almost entirely that. On the other hand, you might pay almost no attention to less significant things and make your vote based on their massive usefulness to mainspace and their really supportive attitude. ''' 3. That's what looking at contribs do. I wasn't intending like an actual thing where we all check a nominee. Mods can do that while the community can just voice thier opinions on how they've helped! I quote: "ZedKiller13 wrote: Remove the sceduled edit count to become eligible, and replace it and have a set-up where users judge if they are eligible based on what they have done for the wiki overall. (aka staff/users check the nominee and see if they are eligible based on their actions and contributations)" '''While the term 'set-up' isn't properly explained, we assume that this is just a placeholder noun for 'thing'. Users will judge if the nominee is eligible. 'Users' refers to the community (it explicitly says "Staff/Users", telling us this). This heavily contradicts with "the community can just voice their opinions on how they've helped". I'm aware that you said you may contradict yourself, but this just makes everything unclear. If you are saying that the community has no power in eligibilty, there is no change actually made. We are all currently free to say why we vote for people. This is no different. '''  I only suggest ideas. Never would I just implement something that isn't discussed. Multiple times I suggest one thing and then people instantly assume I'm ruining everything. It's not fun.  <p data-rte-fromparser="true"> Please know that voting isn't restricted. You can vote for whoever is nominated. I'm not trying to force people to act good, it's their own choice to be helpful, friendly, nice, a jerk, whatever. It's just so that people can relieve pressure off of themselves and just act they way they want to be. "Hey, you got nominated!" "Oh, really? Cool!" and that's it. They might do some mainspace or help out a bit more, and isn't that a good thing? Forcing people to work for a certain goal because they really want to win is "forcing". They restrict some normal activities they might do. It's obviously worse in the end of the month: "Hey, not eligible yet. Gonna hurry?" "OH SHOOT" and then they just spam edit mainspace to get confirmed. <p data-rte-fromparser="true">'''Forcing, forcing, forcing. If they don't want to do work, they just aren't helping the community, are they? They choose to be nominated. They should then be prepared to help out. While I wouldn't like to see ToTM as a strong incentive to work, it is. Note that I used the word 'incentive'. That's all. An optional reward for hard work is not forcing anyone into doing anything.''' <p data-rte-fromparser="true" data-rte-empty-lines-before="1">I hate the idea of working for a goal to win a simple race. I hate it so much. It makes you force yourself to do something "good" when in reality you just want to get eligible since you KNOW people are going to vote for you. It sometimes take out your normal life. <p data-rte-fromparser="true" data-rte-empty-lines-before="1">'''I see your point - you don't want ToTM to be for people who really want it and tell themselves to be good and help out for a month. Getting rid of eligibility will get rid of that attitude, but it'll make ToTM require much less effort. It's then just a 'pop up a lot and be liked' contest. The eligibility does make people want to work hard, but otherwise, it simply won't work. ''' <p data-rte-fromparser="true"> <p data-rte-fromparser="true"> And for what? Getting a tag? <p data-rte-fromparser="true">yes <p data-rte-fromparser="true"> Just act normally! If you want to try and win, then just apply and say why you think you'd be a good nominee, then resume everything as normal. What you do afterwards and what the community thinks of you is up to you and them. <p data-rte-fromparser="true">'''What the community thinks of you is NOT an accurate way to say if someone did the best for the month. ''' <p data-rte-fromparser="true"> This race is not run by the Moderators in my view. It's run by the community, the moderators just currently check eligibility because that's their job. <p data-rte-fromparser="true">'''It is run by moderators, but they have little influence over the result. Think of them as the hosts of a gameshow - they sort everything out but don't actually change anything up much - the game has set questions, and interfering with them could be bad.''' <p data-rte-fromparser="true"> I always love seeing the responses after someone wins. It's nice and friendly. It's kinda like when you get +1000 edits, that little landmark that you never forced yourself to get. <p data-rte-fromparser="true"> <p data-rte-fromparser="true"> Wow. I got something amazing and just carried on normally. <p data-rte-fromparser="true"> <p data-rte-fromparser="true"> Arc, please know I do not try to do anything that ruins the original point of things. I simply suggest ideas and try to improve some thoughts once people talk about them. If that's not how you like it and you like it how it is with no ideas at all, fine. You can voice your opinion. But you never have to do anything even if your opinion is rejected. You don't need to run or care about ToTM at all. <p data-rte-fromparser="true"> <p data-rte-fromparser="true">'''I voice my opinion because I want and expect it to be seen or heard. ToTM is fine as it is. I agree there is an issue, but until we can find a solution which doesn't harm ToTM in any other way, I would leave it as it is. <p data-rte-fromparser="true">That last sentence is telling me to just stop looking at this thread because I'm a pain to deal with. ​​​​​​​If that's what you want, just say it. I'll happily leave this thread, hell, the wiki if you want. ''' <p data-rte-fromparser="true"> If I contradicted myself, oh well. I just bring out my thoughts on the go. <p data-rte-fromparser="true"> <p data-rte-fromparser="true"> Thank you. ​​​