Board Thread:Debate of The Week/@comment-35282881-20190130141417/@comment-37322933-20190202222335

Betimawesome wrote: Alright, here we go :cock gun:

Ted not being able to ability-block was a good nerf for

'''Decent, I guess. Not the best nerf, but better than it is rn.'''

Jack not dying of guilt when the Goodie died in >1 way makes perfect sense

Yeah.

Bill is a nice idea, and is probably an upgrade from

I prefer regular Veteran, honestly, but your idea is decent.

Edgar is better than, pretty objectively.

they do the same thing.

not being able to see Chains, the, visit is a great buff for

except you also made the frames permanent AND gave it Frame Focus AND made it Astral.

Medic 's charge is a really cool idea

Unblockable attack is really annoying for NSYK/Natsuki who worked so hard to get to max stats.

Engineer is a solid trapper buff and makes logical sense.

'''Not reaaally, but it's fine. Again, it's an improvement, but a little too much.'''

Raiden was a good nerf from

'''It works. Again, I have better ideas.'''

Timmy having two sceances makes the character more useful.

Yes yes.

being removed and having  Hoxton, the , have an option to disguse was a great idea

'''Consig disguising is ridiculous. Disguiser should be reworked into my idea, where it tricks LO and Tracker, as well as current abilities.'''

Chains is an amazing buff that works

Permanent frames are stupid, Frame Focus + Astral is enough.

Houston is terrifying for Goodies

'''Absolutely. It's ridiculous.'''

MC is a solid buff

Yes.

Ellis is a cool buff, and is better than  being able to do nothing against stronger characters.

Mhmm.

Sayori has a bigger impact than

'''No. It doesn't. Jest is much better. While New Say is a great idea, the lack of Jester makes it so much easier to lynch. I thought we were nerfing town.'''

Scorpion investigating people is a nice change to.

sure.

ToR having temporary basic is needed for ToS pirate in my opinion.

ToS Pirate is NC.

Natsuki is not underpowered.

It isn't. 

Obsessor is what should be. Missing a kill as fucking sucks. also he deserves a second chance :(

'''On the other hand, Unstoppable is a little much in regular ToS. Also, PB is NC and not becoming NK any time soon.'''

Yuri is balanced.

admittedly.

Some other ToR stuff

Ability-blocking not getting punished by NK but instead NK just being immune is superior.

absolutely.

being removed was a great idea.

​​​​​​​definitely. A better Jailor change is giving it two exes, making it much more reluctant to use them.

Jack is perfectly fine.

If Vet needs a change, Bill works.

Edgar is the same heccing thing.

Spy should not be able to see Mafia visits at all. It should be given a bug and learn the roles that visit it's target. It still counters Consort, Consig, etc, but not so omnisciently.

Unblockable attack, while amazing for me in DB, is ridiculously annoying, especially when it's night eight and Natsuki managed to confirm herself as town through lots of hard work, only to die at night when she shouldn't be able to.

Engineer shouldn't be able to build while a trap is up, although I would give it the ability to build while no traps are up to give it an incentive to wait a few nights. Additionally, I would start it with a trap.

I would prefer Ret's nerf to be it's target dying after three nights, seems balanced to me.

Timmy with two seances is good, although I think Medium is fine already, albeit a little swingy.

Consig is strong enough. Hoxton is OP.

My Disg rework lets it choose two targets, it will disguise as the first target (current mechanics) as well as trick LO and Tracker to thinking the first target visited the second.

My Framer idea lets it change investigative results to that of any role, even non-maf, and lets it frame each Mafia member once, but not itself.

BMer is good enough. Houston is overpowered.

Give auto-vests to all the Neutrals, I don't care since Amne shouldn't be in ranked, and neither should Pirate.

Surv shouldn't be in ranked either, but I like the idea for non-ranked play.

I want a Sayori-esque role in the game, but current Jester is really influential, imo.

I would give Exe an investigative ability like Scorpion's, then let it pick it's target some night (If they aren't town it fails). If the target dies at night, Exe commits suicide, since it was their fault.

My SK rework makes it RB immune.

My WW rework makes it 'shred' it's victim if it only attacks one person, deleting their role and will but showing them to WW.

My Arso rework (you didn't bring up Monika, but--) makes it so 1) it douses roleblockers, 2) people who kill doused targets become doused, and 3) it gets a list of everyone who's doused at the end of the night.

Not talking about NC.