Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-28112409-20190123101502/@comment-38161154-20190123215800

Pokechurin wrote: I mean honestly you can say something is OP and UP, but you have to explain it for it to make sense, and we don't see that now.

For improvements: I am working on making better role reviews. In fact, I'll do some today and you guys can judge them the way you want. Hoping to improve on this issue :) ok hey look what I found:

(credit: Pokechurin)

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Cole Kaneski wrote: Alignment: Town; Goal: Linch every criminal and evildoer

Ability: Each day, choose 1 person to visit the following night. You will stand outside their window hearing whatever conversation they are having.

-The person you eavesdrop on’s name will come up in the text box.

-All other people who may be consulting with them will come up as “A person” -If the person you target that night was not visited and can’t normally talk to a faction (EX Maf, Med, Jailor) you will get a message saying “The person had no one to talk too”. (Example you visit a sheriff and no one else visits him, “Your target had no one to talk too” OR You visit a sheriff, an escort also visits, no message. -This ability will still go through if your target is jailed.

'''This is an interesting concept that unfortunately doesn't really work in practice. In conversations, you have: Medium, Jailor, and Mafia/Coven. '''

'''Those are the only times where you talk to anyone at all. Now I'll explain why this is a problem. Assuming that there is a conversation, you can obviously tell what conversation you're in. For example, when you hear: Role? '''

'''You can assume that's a Jailor or a conversation from a Jailor. '''

'''In a Medium Conversation, you can easily tell by "any info? hey, i'm the medium, i'm...." '''

'''And here comes the problem. Assuming that the Mafia/Coven is being spyed on, it will be so easy to tell that the person is Mafia/Coven. If the Mafia Chat is active, all you need to do is to listen to what they say and you already know if they are Mafia or not based on the conversation. In this way, it's way too easy to find the Mafia. '''

Basically, it can be broken.

'''Now let's say you notify the whole town/mafia or whatever that there could be someone eavesdropping. Well, here's the problem- this silences the Mafia Chat, nerfing the already meh mafia, out of fear. Not only does it make the role useless, it also reduces the strategy in the game between the Mafia. '''

'''So in a nutshell, I don't really see a way to fix this, unfortunately, though I appreciate the fact that you tried your best to make a TI role. '''

'''In the future, when making a TI role, you should focus on a role that can find information out of everyone- not just a few roles. TI roles are not meant to be "direct info finders", which is what this kind of is. Spy is someone who doesn't know what the Mafia is saying or who the mafia are was based off of that concept. Alright, it was overpowered, but still, that was the concept. This is even more overpowered as long as you get the relatively high chance of 4/14 where you find a Mafia member. '''

Invest results: “Your target could be a Framer/Vampire/Jester/Eavesdrooper

'''It does balance it out, but it's miniscule. '''

Sheriff results: “Your targets actions are SUSPICIOUS”

'''When this role can easily autoconfirm and find mafia, this doesn't matter. '''

Consigue/Witch: “Your target likes to stick their nose where it dosen’t belong, Your target its be an eavesdropper!”

'''Thanks for the idea, but unfortunately, it probably won't work. Feel free to ask any of our wiki members for any questions. '''

Reason: Adds more diversity too the town also hopefully gives the mafia who come up as suspicious another way to claim.

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Copied and pasted from the Eavesdropper thing, and that criticism is perfect (never thought id say that)

It was really constructive and kind, too.

This is what the entire wiki should do during reviews