Board Thread:Role Ideas (Coven)/@comment-38045493-20190111071653/@comment-50.37.85.112-20190113042646

DragonClaw66 wrote: Mr alexis 123 wrote: Blaze master ( coven evil )

I really wish we didn't have any roles that were "(something) master"

Goal : Kill everyone who will not submit to the Coven.

Attack : Basic

Defense : None

Unique : yes

Ability :

-Create a Fire Curse on a player

Atributes

- You may talk to other Coven members at night.

- You can send your fire curse on a target at night with the first button.

- the person your target visited will be dealt a basic attack. ( if your target didnt visit anyone, your target will be attacked. )''' You might want to change that. Possibly make it so if the target does not visit, they won't die?'''

'''This itself is extremely powerful. It basically guarantees 1KPN unless your target is a protective role.'''

- Your target knows they have the fire curse. '''This is temperary I hope. This is a big no-no if it's permanent.'''

This could also be negative utility if there is a certain mechanic here.

- if your target is a doctor, the player they visited will not die. Of course

That sounds fine.

- if your target is a bodyguard or a crusader, they will attack you.''' You mean Bodyguard or Trapper? Crusader attacks visitors at a target. There's no reason why a Crusader would be attacking someone who visits them. That's like attacking a CL if they are controlled.'''

'''But you aren't attacking their target; THEY'RE attacking they're target. This makes as much sense as the Bodyguard counterattacking the Ambusher (the Ambusher isn't even attacking the Bodyguard's target).'''

- if your target visits a coven member, nothing will happen. I think it should tell them something like "Someone tried to kill you with the fire curse but you are immune!"

'''Here is the negative utility. If a player is told that they were cursed but nobody was killed by this role, the cursed player's target is confirmed Coven.'''

'''Hey dragon. Should the player die instead?'''

- after a kill, you will have to wait to recover your power. '''I'm guessing this will be 2 nights, like the PM. If not, it might be too op'''

'''Oh, so it isn't 1KPN... better.'''

- With the necromonicon, you have detection immunity.

- With the necromonicon, you no longer have to wait to recover your power. Yes

- With the necromonicon, you can use a fure dagger to deal a basic attack to a player with the second button.

'''Fair. I was about to bring that up.'''

Investigator results : Your target could be a Bodyguard, Godfather, Arsonist, Crusader, or Blaze Master.

Sheriff results : Your target is suspicious. (With the Necronomicon): You cannot find evidence of wrongdoing, your target seems innocent.

Consigliere results : Your target sends a fire curse. They must be a Blaze Master. '''I find the role somewhat unreliable because it cannot choose who it kills unless they are very good at predicting visits. The delay after a kill balances it a bit more but I don't understand the Town Protective interactions. It IS a Coven role (and most of those roles are unbalanced) so the fact that it's swingy isn't awful. '''

Judgment: It's not bad, but it's not good either. For the record, Shadow, with the Necronomicon, they can just deal an attack to the player directly.

'''Also, of COURSE it doesn't predict the kills without the Necronomicon. You think Medusa is trash just because, "oh, without the Necronomicon, it can only attack people that visit itself, which could make the Medusa die". I do, however, agree with not getting the TP interactions.'''

Judgment: Closer to the plus side than the minus side.