Board Thread:Role Ideas (Mafia)/@comment-38593192-20200219083045/@comment-38593192-20200220144839

ProfessorArceus wrote: I mean it's a cool idea but the problem is that everything's out of your control, which doesn't necessarily nerf the strength of the role. Mechanics which rely on visits are generally very inconsistent, so this role could either have a massive impact on the game, painting everyone who needs to be painted so mafia are free to claim, etc., but then it could also be very useless and would be unable to paint people it needs to paint. I mean isn't that how most roles work?, for ex: Witch they could either be a good one by protecting mafia with TP,preventing TI from finding out mafia,could force Jailor to execute the Mayor(If jailed) or the game could have roles or situations the witch currently does not have power over,also there isn't much alternative ways I can think of for spreading since that's the unique mechanic that ties it all together,if not then it's just another Forger type situation where it looks good on paper but is just downright a degrade of a original role

This role also hardcounters the retri. While janitor does this, it is limited to 3 cleans whereas painter is able to paint many more. '''I mean Retri is kindof the talk of the town since it wastes 2 nights for evils while confirming 2 townies and medium claims and 1 slot on the rolelist,so having an indirect nerf seems kindof okay to me,you also basically just have to visit someone or be visited by someone in order to be freed of the debuff which is simple enough, if you're thinking about that this might replace the Janitor is a no in my eyes, since as you said is that it's more consistent, it also removes last wills which is something the painter does not do, like even if let's say you painted a Psychic,the info is still there and the Town can still use it,it's also countered by Spy since they will know if the target was the real Painter or not through their ability,but could decieve them for a few nights.Also if it doesn't prevent the Retributionist then the Retri will easily know who is a real painter just by having the option to revive them,unless you want it to be like disguiser's interaction with the retri  I like how it's similar to disguiser in the sense that it can claim anything it wants and can trick town using wills, but it seems like a role too complicated and inconsistent for ranked play I still feel like this should be discussed further as some people think/feel that it's either too op or balanced that isn't heavily swaying on either side '''