Board Thread:Role Ideas (Rework)/@comment-34478515-20180128062417/@comment-33307613-20180129154320

Polypies73 wrote:

DragonClaw66 wrote:

SpacedefenderX wrote: Not exactly confusing, but from what I see in many games, confusing and useless The bugging isn't useful because it cannot see silent notifications. If it could see these, it'd be a much better ability. Honestly spy seeing visits is fine, they added bugging because spy seeing visits isn’t really OP and people liek night abilities. I don’t think spy needs to be changed to see silent notifications.

As for the framer buffs, most people agree on some sort of circumstance where the framer can affect all TI’s Seeing Mafia  and Coven visits…

(1) Confirms visited players as non- Mafia  and non- Coven  (unless a Transporter , Witch / <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#bf5fff;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">Coven Leader <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#000000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">, or <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#bf5fff;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">Potion Master <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#000000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;"> interfered, though this is rare).

<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:6pt;margin-bottom:8pt;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#000000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">(2) Denies players a fake blackmail claim.

<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:6pt;margin-bottom:8pt;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#000000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">(3) Denies players a fake poison and heal claim.

<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:6pt;margin-bottom:8pt;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#000000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">(4) Denies <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#dd0000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">Consorts <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#000000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;"> an <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#45bf00;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">Escort <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#000000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;"> claim.

<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:6pt;margin-bottom:8pt;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#000000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">(5) Denies <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#dd0000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">Hypnotists <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#000000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;"> any claim that they can produce results with.

<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:6pt;margin-bottom:8pt;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#000000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">(6) Confirms all <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#45bf00;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">Escorts <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#000000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">, <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#45bf00;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">Transporters <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#000000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">, and <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#45bf00;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">Doctors <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#000000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;"> that didn’t visit a <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#dd0000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">Mafia <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#000000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;"> target on that night.

<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:6pt;margin-bottom:8pt;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#000000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">(7) Potentially reveals the role of a player that was disguised as.

<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:6pt;margin-bottom:8pt;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#000000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">(8) Reveals forged wills.

<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:6pt;margin-bottom:8pt;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#000000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">(9) Counters any successful <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#dd0000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">Framer <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#000000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">/ <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#bf5fff;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">Hex Master <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#000000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;"> frames (which are already rare enough in the <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#dd0000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">Framer <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#000000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">’s case).

<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:6pt;margin-bottom:8pt;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#000000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">(10) Reveals if a <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#dd0000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">Mafia <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#000000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;"> or <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#bf5fff;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">Coven <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:#000000;font-weight:400;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;"> member was jailed/roleblocked based on if there was a visit or not.

<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:6pt;margin-bottom:8pt;"> <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:400;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;white-space:pre-wrap;">(11) Reveals immune <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:rgb(102,102,102);font-weight:400;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;white-space:pre-wrap;">Neutral <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:400;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;white-space:pre-wrap;"> <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:rgb(74,134,232);font-weight:400;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;white-space:pre-wrap;">Killings <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:400;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;white-space:pre-wrap;">, <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:rgb(191,95,255);font-weight:400;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;white-space:pre-wrap;">Witches <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:400;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;white-space:pre-wrap;">/ <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:rgb(191,95,255);font-weight:400;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;white-space:pre-wrap;">Coven Leaders <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:400;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;white-space:pre-wrap;">, <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:rgb(102,102,102);font-weight:400;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;white-space:pre-wrap;">Executioners <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:400;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;white-space:pre-wrap;">, <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:rgb(241,194,50);font-weight:400;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;white-space:pre-wrap;">Plaguebearers <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:400;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;white-space:pre-wrap;">, and <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:700;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;white-space:pre-wrap;">Pestilences <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:400;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;white-space:pre-wrap;">.

<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:6pt;margin-bottom:8pt;"> <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:400;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;white-space:pre-wrap;">--

<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:6pt;margin-bottom:8pt;"> <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Average;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:400;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;white-space:pre-wrap;">Points 1, 4, 8, 9, 10, and 11 are the most common and (IMO) the most powerful. Seeing visits is VERY overpowered.