Thread:Betimawesome/@comment-28092296-20180619162742

Dear good sir,

Today I come to you because you keep on saying that the Mafia is very underpowered and you're not talking about Ranked Mode  because you appear to have a disliking to the Mafia. Now, under normal circumstances, somebody saying "it's underpowered" and "UP" would get me starring at them like they have mental problems, but under this circumstance, it's an occasion to instead sit down and have a civilized discussion.

I do agree with you that the Coven outclasses the Mafia when it comes to abilities: Medusa>Janitor, Hex Master>Framer, Coven Leader+Necronomicon>Mafioso+Promotion. However, I do believe that you are leaving out two key elements that leaves me to believe that the Mafia is stronger.

In Town of Salem, numbers are everything. One more person to vote with you, one less person that might accuse you, one more ally, etcetera. In Town of Salem, there are 11 mafia members and 6 coven members. You are ~100% more likely to role a Mafia role than a Coven role. This means that generally, the Mafia has more numbers to fall back on and more people to work with.

But what about the situations where Coven has more members than the Mafia? That's just bad luck for the Mafia and good luck for the Coven. What if all of the Coven died night one? What, is the community going to write a bunch of rework threads so then the Coven doesn't fully die out night one? No! It's just bad luck that the Coven all died night one. People get over it, and then join another game.

Time to talk about abilites. It is agreeable that the Coven is more efficent at killing the Mafia. It is true that the Coven's abilties outclass the Mafia's abilities. However, the Coven's abilities generate more severity. For example: People will feel much more threatened by the Coven Leader over a Framer. In lots of occasions, the roles that are more useful and damaging get lynched first. If the Coven Leader gets lynched first, this leaves the Framer to potentially distract and waste an Investigator's night, this leaves the Janitor to clean somebody, the Forger to forge somebody, the Consigliere to share investigation results, etcetera.

And as a little sidenote, here's a response to how come Janitor is more powerful than Medusa:

The Ability to know somebody's role after you clean them and read their will gives you a good set of information, espeically within the set role list universe, about what you can do. If you find a Medium, you might want to avoid further cleaning people because of the seanse abiltiy. Cleaned targets show vital information that the entire town was meant to see, not just you and your Mafia friends. 