Board Thread:Role Ideas (Mafia)/@comment-176.10.99.200-20180502135847/@comment-25615841-20180502170722

176.10.99.200 wrote:  Name: Puppeteer ''' another one of these? lets go '''

 Alignment: Mafia Deception

 Attack: None

 Defense: None

 all that looks gucci 

 Unique Role: No

 mhm

 Abilities: Hide deaths of Mafia's victims

 '''kind of like a teamate janitor/pre-patch disguiser. not a new idea, but you can definitely make it work.'''

 Attributes: each night you can choose a player. If your target dies that night then the next day they will appear alive. If there are no kill capable Mafia roles left, you will become a Mafioso. You can talk with the other Mafia at night

''' Right, so I can already spot a few 'eh's here. First of all, would the person appear to everyone as alive on the display and everything, or in some other way? '''

''' And of course, since the person is dead, they can't vote, which screws up the voting system, which is a big no. a possible way to fix this is to have the puppeteer control their fellow mafia, but that causes its own problems. '''

 Mechanics: each night you can choose a player. If that player is killed the next day he will not appear in the Graveyard and will walk out of their house as normal. (No message regarding this will be displayed to the Town). "Zombie" can't talk, change will, use abilities or vote(more on that later), but can be voted up or whispered to. However, player whose avatar is displayed as alive will be able to talk in dead chat and leak information to Medium. If "Zombie" is not lynched that day, he will return to his house as alive player would. Now Puppeteer can choose him again to repeat everything the next day. Puppeteer can do this infinite amount of times. If Puppeteer does not choose "Zombie" again for some reason, the next morning Town will see it as killed and see the true cause of death and, for example, message will just say "... was killed by the member of the Mafia" (as always, no changes here). Mafia Killing can't attack "Zombie" again, they can't choose him at night. However, everyone else will be able to choose "Zombie" at night (including non-killing Mafia).

''' softcountered by medium, first off. '''

''' infinite uses would be more annoying than confusing for town, id suggest putting it at a high number so the puppeteer is wary, but not too indifferent. the rest makes sense, though '''

<p class="MsoNormal"> If "Zombie" is attacked by someone and chosen by Puppeteer at the same night, "Zombie" dies. If "Zombie" is attacked, first ever cause of death is not shown, and victim appears for example as killed by Serial Killer only. If "Puppet" dies, it's real role and will will appear. (If there was't Janitor's or Forger's interference)

<p class="MsoNormal"> sounds good to me

<p class="MsoNormal"> Other: "Zombie" can be jailed but can't talk with the Jailor. Witch can still use the ability of "Zombie". If "Zombie" is Executioner's target, Executioner can still win by lynching it. If "Zombie" is Guardian Angel's target, the Guardian Angel becomes Survivor instantly.

<p class="MsoNormal"> '''if witch uses ability on zombie, would zombie actually use it? other than that, np'''

<p class="MsoNormal"> Puppeteer does not know his victim's role, that would just be a buffed Consigliere.

<p class="MsoNormal"> Agreed 

<p class="MsoNormal"> Problem is the amount of votes needed to send someone to trial. From that perspective "Zombie" can be viewed as dead (reducing the amount of votes with seemingly too many players) or alive (it can't vote though. Puppeteer might be given ability to vote using his victims, seems like a good idea to me, but it might be against rules, you decide)

Precisely Main points:

+This is a nice original idea based off of the slightly less original puppeteer, so pretty good

+the role its self is perfect for mafia and fits well

-No invest results, but that's fixable, obviously

--The voting problem is what completely cripples this, and there isn't any good solution. Decreasing the amount of votes needed would expose the existence of a Zombie, so this needs to be reworked

I'd give it a

Needs attributes changed/10 IGN

If you haven't already, I'd suggest reading this, as it helps when making roles: http://town-of-salem.wikia.com/wiki/Making_New_Roles. Anyway, I can see that you have potential when making roles. Just remember that it isn't easy to get your role to be accepted so don't get too discouraged when you don't get all positive reviews.

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