Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-32994909-20171126201539

Please feel free to argue with me. I REALLY need a valid reason why these roles are not unique.

'''1. Transporter  '''

'If two Transporters transport the same person, whoever joined the lobby first will have their transport occur first.'

So basically, for example

There are two transporters and three targets

Transporter A swaps Target A and B

Transporter B swaps Target B and C

<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">If Transporter A joined the lobby first, anyone who targets A will target C, anyone who targets B will target A and anyone who targets C will target B.

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">If Transporter B joined the lobby first, anyone who targets A will target B, anyone who targets B will target C and anyone who targets C will target A.

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">This is chaos. It's not exactly RNG, but whatever Transporter joined the lobby first gets priority. So it's still just a luck factor like Pirate.

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">Transporter has to be unique, although Transporter is quite a risky but rewarding role, more than one Transporter messes up the game, adds RNG and causes chaos.

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;">'''<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;">2. Medium '''

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;">Medium has a séance, so what is the use of the séance if there’s just another Medium to transfer information from the dead to the living? Additionally, Medium is arguably the weakest Town Support role. Yes, it can find Ambusher and Medusa in the Coven expansion, but you only need ONE Medium to do that. It’s not such a role that multiple of the same roles makes it more powerful, for example, multiple Sheriffs can find Mafia/Coven quicker. Actually, if anything multiple Mediums weaken their ability as it just confuses the dead, the Mediums can’t see each other’s messages which causes even more confusion, for example:

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;">Medium: hi

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;">Medium: Hello!

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;">''<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;">Dead Guy: Hi! Who are you? ''

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;">Medium: Giles Corey

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;">Dead Guy: Oh 

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;">Medium: Samuel Parris

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;">''<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;">Dead Guy: What about Samuel Parris? ''

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;">Medium: I think he’s evil

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;">Medium: what?

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;">Dead Guy: Yeah I think he’s evil as well 

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;">Medium: He’s acting suspicious

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;">Medium: who’s evil?

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;">Dead Guy: Samuel Parris 

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;">Medium: I am Samuel Parris

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;">Medium: He’s probably SK

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;">Dead Guy: How can you be SK, you’re Medium 

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;">Medium: Nah I was talking about Samuel Parris

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;">Medium: what do you mean?

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;">Dead Guy: Oh, you should probably fix your grammar It’s really confusing 

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;">Medium: What’s wrong with my grammar?

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;">Medium: ik

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;">'''<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;">3. Crusader '''

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;">Crusaders will kill each other if they guard the same player, so if a townie requests Town Protective of them, both Crusaders will guard that townie and kill each other. This is broken and needs to be fixed, making Crusader unique would be good because more than one Crusader is definitely chaotic, whether they kill each other not.

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;">Crusader is also RNG, for example, if the Coven Leader and a Sheriff visits a Crusader’s target, the Crusader could either kill the Sheriff or the Coven Leader. This could determine whether Coven or Town wins, should the fate of the game really be sealed by RNG?

<p style="margin:12pt0cm;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;">Although Pirate is RNG (not exactly RNG, but it’s still luck-based, it’s the equivalent of the Pirate having a 1/3 chance of killing its target) it’s a unique role as well as being the only member of it’s faction, so it’s not all that bad. <ac_metadata title="List of roles that should be unique"> </ac_metadata>