Board Thread:Role Ideas (Neutral)/@comment-31680260-20170408232521/@comment-27575896-20170411134053

Jallybwan wrote: Role: Convict

Alignment: Neutral Evil

Goal: Provoke the Jailor into executing you.

Role-Dependency either way.

You are an escaped prisoner who wants to portray the Jailor as trigger-happy.

Investigator results: Your target keeps to themselves. They must be a Surv/Witch/Vamp Hunter/Convict.

Consig/Witch results: Your target is an escaped prisoner. They must be a Convict.

Can win with: Anyone, as long as they get executed.

Night Immunity: No.

Bite Immunity: No.

Unique: Yes. If the Jailor executes a Convict, they lose their executions - preventing any other Convicts from winning.

FUCK NO! THAT'S TOO EASY FOR THE CONVICT AT HIGH RISK FOR JAILOR!

If the Jailor executes you, they will lose their executions. This is intended to balance the Jailor, which I believe is the main reason for Town's high win rate. And it isn't a hardcounter - Jailor can still effectively roleblock people, and talk to them (gain information) at the same time. It also helps Mafia/Neutrals when confronted by a Jailor, as they could appear to be a Convict.

'''You need to realize the Jailor has three executions for a reason, and if he executes a Townie, he loses them. Executing a NEUTRAL would make no sense for him to lose his executions.'''

I can understand why people would think this is a Jester rehash - but it's intended to lower win rate for the Town, which is what the "Making New Roles" page states. Jailor is easily the most powerful Town role (in my opinion) and they generally don't have to be careful with their executions. Also, the Mafia can't help the Convict win, other than urging the Jailor to execute him in day-chat. The Jailor has to make the decision to execute on his own, so you can't just say "Hey Mafia, I'm Convict. Vote me up" like a Jester can.

This could also help with gamethrowing. Anyone who claims SK or GF is going to get executed. And if they're a gamethrowing townie, that screws the Jailor over. Now, anyone who claims SK or GF could be seen instead as an obvious Convict. Jailors will have to decide whether or not they really are a Convict, similar to a night-immune role parading as Executioner.

In regards to lynching, it's generally a good thing to lynch Convicts. Similar to Executioner, they might not actually be a Convict, and Town doesn't lose anything by lynching them.

Being shot by a Vigilante will cause you to die, and lose. You have to be EXECUTED to win. This also balances the role, as a Vigilante doesn't have to worry about losing their bullets or committing suicide - they have no reason NOT to shoot the Convict.

If there is no Jailor, there cannot be a Convict. This is similar to the fact that there are no Vamp Hunters without Vampires.

Role-Dependency and that's a lot of coding to manage....

If the Jailor dies, you will become a Survivor with one vest. This is to symbolize the Convict getting over his grudge with the Jailor and wishing to get on with a normal life.

No. '''IDC what you say. It is still a role-dependency role, it is still a jester rehash, and becoming a Survivor has been mentioned and rejected. You can't fix this.'''

Rejected.