Thread:Jallybwan/@comment-32783587-20180109025223/@comment-31680260-20180109195929

Octometaknight wrote: In the game dev example, the question is not 'what created the universe?', rather, 'what created what created the universe?' in a process of infinite referral. If you're a game dev, you already exist. If you're beyond time, where do you exist? What created that place beyond time where you are able to exist? If we're in the game, what created the game dev's world? Did the game dev? '''I did say this is hard to think of as a human being. God was never created, He's just always been there. I thought I addressed this by saying "He's before time", but apparently not. My apologies, I hope it's clearer now. As to "infinite referral", well, God is infinite.'''

Synthia in particular I'm pretty stubborn on. If you can create life from non-living things, that would mean, under the perfect conditions (the earth is constantly changing), life could be created without intervention from any external force. Synthia did not create itself, but has lead me to believe that theoretically it could create itself and that lead me to the conclusion that billions of years ago life did create itself. '''I'm not sure how on Earth you did reach that conclusion. How does "humans created Synthia" turn into "life can create itself"? And you say "perfect conditions", but it's a well-known fact that nothing IS perfect.'''

God giving humanity the acknowledgement of his existence isn't a forced 'gift'. The fact that he's been supposedly mute to most people implies that he doesn't want to intervene in his own creation, which would make sense if you were running some kind of experiment, but at the same time he supposedly does intervene in his creation by granting certain people enlightenment of his existence and manipulating the world beyond time. Why would he do this? What's the end goal for the universe? '''Thing is, even if God DID reveal Himself, there would still be people who wouldn't believe - simply because they don't WANT to, for whatever reason. It's stupid, but it's entirely human. Think of it this way - God is like the wind. You can't see it, but you know it's there because of the effect it has on the things it touches. Same thing with God - I might not be able to see Him physically, but I know He's there because He's touched myself and many people around me. Even past that, He's touched people all around the world. Even die-hard atheists have opened their eyes and started believing, because He's performed a miracle for them.'''

'''Building on that point - my family is a prime example of one of those miracles. We're actually in a state of near-financial crisis, but somehow we're doing fine. For five years at LEAST, we've been sailing on a boat full of holes, and we haven't sunk yet - even though on paper, we should have been living on the streets a long time ago.'''