Board Thread:Role Ideas (Mafia)/@comment-30150155-20161103165622/@comment-30105631-20161107222915

Infunction wrote: The first thing I'd like to establish is that this primarily nerfs the Framer, so it's already a no, but I'll tell you my reasoning as we go through it.

Decoy/Framer 2.0 (Mafia deception/support)

Ability

 -            Select someone at night including yourself or other mafia members

'''Selecting yourself is completely redundant and does absolutely nothing. It's not even worth it for fooling the spy. It's just always a bad idea.'''

 -            If your target is visited, you will receive the effect instead

*sigh* Here we go.

Goal

Kill anyone that does not submit to the mafia



Investigators results

Not what they seem – Framer, Vampire, Jester (or Decoy)

'''This is a Framer "upgrade". There would be no 4th result.'''

Notes

Your target will avoid role-blocks if a role blocker visits them. (a counter to the single GF vs escort).

<p class="MsoNormal">'''Escorts and Consorts are role-block immune by nature. This shouldn't work.'''

<p class="MsoNormal">You will be killed by a killing role, if they attack your target (including Vig)

<p class="MsoNormal">'''Great, so this is also a kamikaze role. I don't understand the point...'''

<p class="MsoNormal">You will be investigated instead of your target. (Sheriff will receive “member of mafia” and Investigator will get “Framer, Vampire, Jester (or Decoy)”

<p class="MsoNormal">'''This has the exact same effect as before this "buff". I feel like after this point everything is just padding to add to the read-time.'''

<p class="MsoNormal">Lookouts will see your visitors not your targets, so if a sheriff says your target is mafia but Lookout didn’t see him visit, that suggests he was Framed (or Decoyed).

<p class="MsoNormal">'''This is the only part of this role that I find interesting, if only for the ability for your target to be killed by a serial killer, you frame your target, and the lookout sees the sheriff visit you and assumes the sheriff is the serial killer. Apart from that, I still think this role doesn't do anything good.'''

<p class="MsoNormal">Spies will not be fooled by you as they can see mafia visits.

<p class="MsoNormal">Obviously.

<p class="MsoNormal">You will not be jailed if your target is jailed.

<p class="MsoNormal">Obviously.

<p class="MsoNormal">You can trick town in thinking a mafia member is the jester by visiting them when a investigator checks them.

<p class="MsoNormal">This is not a note, it's a strategy that we all figured out anyway, and besides, it's also pretty useless because said mafia member will get shot by a vig anyway.

And then it just ends. So now that I have fully gone in depth on this role, per CPN's request, I still reach the same verdict.

REJECTED!!!