Board Thread:Role Ideas (Rework)/@comment-38127112-20190314223611/@comment-28092296-20190321024121

Connortheandroid wrote: TheRetroPioneer wrote:

Connortheandroid wrote: The disguiser “not being able to able to control what people say” was because the original disg controlled what people said, this resulted in a players getting banned without doing anything wrong because the mafia took the ability of “deception” to an extreme, if that wasnt a good explanation of it just search up “old disguiser”

Mafia does need a buff, I mean the only time I’ve ever seen a mafia win in a normal game is with a dumb TK, an unlucky TP, new players who are townies, a bad jailor, or a bunch of townies leaving or gamethrowing, don’t even get me started on disguiser, they suck so much that if BMG isn’t gonna buff them at all they might as well remove them because its a sucky role, what are the odds of you actually guessing what role you disguised as, the most use I’ve ever gotten out of disg was them dying to SK when they disguised as mayor, revealing the mayor to us, which consigliere can do without dying, multiple times. Well...yeah....I don't know what you mean by "not controling what people say".

I don't agree with the Mafia needing a buff, I recorded about 100-ish games where I recorded to see who won, and the Mafia had the highest winning rates here. Record it for yourself if you don't believe me. '''I do agree that Mafia needs some kind of change in Ranked mode, though; also, I think Mafia wins because of numbers and the fact that they know who each other are, they have to kill less people to win, etc.; The roles themselves need to be more balanced and solid. Not necessarily buffed as you propose, just not stupid to use.''' Vampires and survivors? Wtf? Also you didnt think about the NK wins, also in those wins mafia coulda just gotten combinations like janitor and consigliere, if they both had disguisers the wins would maybe be at 10 (Gonna try not to be rude or sound pissed off here man, but I don't think I can entirely avoid that without making my arguement) Well then! I feel like we are on two pages here. I'm guessing you don't believe me when I posted my evidence, as you have claimed that I did not properly record NK wins without having any evidence or facts as to how I recorded my evidence for NK wins, or really to support your claim. Yes, Vampires and Survivors won that much. If you do not believe be, I suggest you record your results for yourself. Besides, the chances of Mafia rolling good combinations of Mafia like Consiglieres and Janitors is much lower than rolling generic Mafia lineups like Framers, Forgers and a Mafioso. Anyways, the bottom line is: Mafia won a lot of the time. No loopholes or alternative explanations were at play here. Just statistics.