Thread:Orecreeper/@comment-27398195-20180723195224/@comment-27398195-20180728012615

this is what i mean by maf.

clarification matters :3

their day abilities usually make up for it.

None of those roles have day abilities except medium, and that only happens when dead.

So you're saying a vig doesn't kill?

'''Vigilantes kill? (Jokes aside but I rarely see a vigilante shoot)'''

or they aren't supposed to be if the game's made right.

'''Games are never made right. Mind blown, I know'''

So maybe they could make it so that you can't make it boring and win. Why are you defending this? I'm literally encouraging your play style. The fact that being boring and winning is bad because it's an option. Can it be better so it's being fun and also risk losing?

'''It's fine where it is, the reason why people keep claiming it's bad is the same reason as DbD survivors keep asking killers to be nerfed, they can't be bothered to think of a strategy that helps make it interesting for them. Survivor does not need to be buffed or changed.'''

And yes this whole point was a bait for this.

Ew bait get it away.

What I meant by that is how I used your point against you again, so when you reply to that point I'll just use it against you again.

'''That's not using my point against me. I provided a counter point. If you teams didn't play well enough and reached a king maker then it's up to the survivor to pick the "better" of the two players.'''

Which means you 're saying they're good? didn't you just say how they should be removed? I'm confused.

'''I said they're exploitable, not good. And jailor is a broken killing role'''

Ok i can see that

You have said this statement.

It's not difficult to defend your claim as town, once you are confirmed you are good for the rest of the game (Unless vampires exist) And also, you have admitted that this point is true: Vampires usually exist when survs exist. If we represent (It's not difficult to defend your claim as town, once you are confirmed you are good for the rest of the game) as point A, and (Vampires exist) as point B, your point can be expressed like this. If not point B, then point A. But we also have Point B is usually true. Therefore: Point A is usually false. Therefore your point is usually false, so you have to concede it or refute the fact that vamps usually do not exist in games with surv.​​​

'''However, point A was used to describe the town roles, along with point B being the fact that vampires have practically 0 reason to bite a survivor due to the survivor's win condition (Unless one or both of them are being a d--k). Meaning once a survivor is confirmed, they generally confirmed for the rest of the game.'''