Board Thread:Role Ideas (Other)/@comment-39370507-20190529162618/@comment-107.178.40.77-20190529214636

RedDeathNick wrote: oh boy, so many roles, here i go...

-Please explain more about your faction. How many people are in it? Is there a limit to how many killing roles there can be? for now i'm going to assume all of that is the same as mafia.

-"Their most powerful moves are made during the night" uhm, yeah, most roles, and im pretty sure all mafia/coven, only do stuff at night... lmao.

Lol agreed

-Why did you swap werewolf's attack and defense? Also, werewolf is a neutral killing, as in one man against the world. They are meant to be powerful enough to win without anyone else. Putting them in a faction is not good.

Yea, werewolf is too op in a faction, unless the game mode is designed to make it harder for neutrals to win

-Bat is more powerful than you might think. The mere existance of it in the game means no one will trust their results anymore. This makes my really wonder why you felt the need to also add it attacking whoever attacks it...

'''umm, well you are also saying that it was a bad idea to add hypnotist. because since the addition of that role, u cant trust any results given.'''

-Scorpion is clearly worse than werewolf. It can kill a maximum of 1 person a night, and the people you sting don't even die, they can still be cured by the doctor. Beyond that, if wills are kept, stinging whoever visits you is actually a downside.

'''well, its better that he didnt add another role similar to werewolf, two rampages in a night is very deadly. cant imagine that happening'''

-Seeing what they plan to do instead of what they actually do doesn't mean you get to warn your teammates they're going to be attacked, with these roles, you really need to think about what the other factions would do if they know about these roles. Everyone would likely only do what they want to do at the end of the round, when owl cant warn anyone. Even if you just made it tracker, compared to the other roles, this role is WEAK.

'''isnt that helpful for the town? it will disrupt the mafia and coven discussions because they have to choose at last minute. its also possible they miss it resulting in them not using their night ability'''

-Enchanter is literally a better framer. A framer that can kill.

'''dont see the problem with this role here, unless u have a problem with the hex master. its a framer that can kill, and its nit just killing 3 people, its almost all non-coven people, so thats way more op than enchanter prob'''

-Firefly could actually be good, just remove the part where they make people visit them and make it so you can target anyone, and just make it a rampaging consigliere

'''consig itself is already pretty op, its like a better version of invest. adding rampaging consig is way too op. plus, the role becomes no longer relevant to its name, firefly, where its supposed to attract people into visitng them'''

'''Verdict: Revamp. '''You need to clarify the faction better, give the faction something special and different about it, and balance the roles better. (I also reccomend you change their name and lore, you'd think people would notice if one of their town members was literally an owl lmfao)

'''​​​​​​​i think if he includes ww in this faction, he should nerf it by its abilities or maybe attack. i think the faction name of night creatures is not bad, i thinki '''