Thread:Jallybwan/@comment-32783587-20180109025223/@comment-31680260-20180124053948

Anons unite wrote: Jallybwan wrote: Anons unite wrote:

NO NO NO YOURE MISSING MY POINT. GOD IS ALL KNOWING, SO HE WILL KNOW WHICH PEOPLE WILL END UP SINNING AND WHICH WONT. TAKE HITLER. IS IT REALLY WORTH KILLING THAT MANY PEOPLE JUST TO SATISFY THE FORCED GIDT ANALOGY. '''We are all granted free will, it's our choice what to do with that. God knows what we will do, yes, but He promises not to waste suffering. Anons, you must realize that sin is sin. We judge different sins based on their consequences, but to God, it's all sin. So if you wanted God to kill Hitler because he would eventually cause the Holocaust, you would want Him to kill EVERY human EVER, because we all sin at some point.'''

SO IF IM ATHIEST WHEN I DIE AND I SAY OKAY FINE I ADMIT IT IM WRONG. JESUS YOURE REAL. I GO TO HEAVEN? OR PURGATORY? OR WHAT IF I SAY NOPE LOL PROLLY JUST A FAKE JESUS I GO TO HELL? ALSO STILL MISSING MY POINT. '''How many times do I have to say the same thing over and over again until you get it? SIMPLY BELIEVING IN GOD DOES NOT MEAN YOU GO TO HEAVEN. You must accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour. Next time you try to twist my words that way, I'll just ignore your point entirely.'''

GOD IS OMNIPOTENT, SO HE KNOWS WHO WILL END UP SINNING. SO HE SHOULD EITHER 1. NOT MAKE SINNERS IN THE FIRST PLACE (IF YOU ARGUE THAT GOD CREATES PEOPLE) OR INTERVENE SOMEHOW, DOESNT HAVE TO BE SEVERE (IF YOU ARGUE THAT GOD DIDNT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HITLER) '''So you're literally saying He shouldn't have made humans. He should never have made us at all because we are going to sin. Anons, by your logic, nobody should have children. Because a parent knows their child is going to mess up at some point, so nope! Let's just let the human race die out. Is that what you want? And do you really expect me to know God's plan? Really? Considering I'm a 14 year old boy and He's the immortal, all-knowing, all-powerful creator of everything? Anons, I don't know why He chooses to let these tragedies play out, but I do know He has a reason for it. Think of when your own parents last punished you. You may not know why they did that, but it was to discourage you from letting it happen again. The Holocaust was so horrible that it raised awareness GLOBALLY, and it's so reviled that I doubt it'll ever happen again.'''

KILLING ALL JEWS OUTWEIGHS THE FORCED GIFT. THERE IS WAY TOO MUCH BAD IN THE WORLD FOR THERE TO BE A "PERFECT" ALL KNOWING BEING IS WHAT IM SAYING. '''Barbers don't exist. There are people with long hair and beards, therefore, barbers cannot exist because of it. "But they only have long hair because they don't go to the barber!" Exactly - people have strayed away from God, who is good, so why WOULDN'T there be bad in this world? If God just intervened and fixed everything, nobody would learn at all, and we'd end up doing it again. We're learning the hard way from our mistakes.'''

AS I KEEP SAYING GOD WILL KNOW THAT YOU WILL END UP NOT ACCEPTING JESUS. '''If you don't accept Jesus and let Him take your sin away, you will not be able to enter Heaven. Why is that so hard to understand? In fact, it's GOOD that God knows everything, because that means only He can make a perfect judgement.'''

IF HE FINDS OUT "SAID PERSON WILL ACCEPT JESUS IF I DO SAID THING" HE SHOULD DO SAID THING FOR THAT PERSON, AS LONG AS ITS MINOR. '''Thing is, Anons, even if God came down in a pillar of fire and light, some people STILL wouldn't believe - simply because they don't want to. They would explain it away with anything, even if it didn't make sense. People tried to disprove Jesus by saying He was a HALLUCINATION, but upwards of 5,000 people saw Him and witnessed His miracles. Only one, maybe two people can witness the same hallucination at the same time. Not thousands.'''

PUTTING AS MANY PEOPLE IN HEAVEN IS GOD'S GOAL, SO WHY IS HE NOT DOING IT? LIKE DID GANDHI (NON CHRISTIAN/GOOD PERSON) GO TO HELL I MIGHT HAVE ALREADY ASKED THIS BUT I FORGOT '''Forced gift. He will not force us to accept Jesus, but He gives us that choice. Some people will choose not to accept Him, and He will not FORCE them to accept Him, so their only option is Hell. It's fairly cut-and-dry.'''

SURE THE BIBLE CAN BE REAL, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN GOD IS REAL. THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN BY MAN. THERES EVIDENCE FOR THE BIG BANG AND EVOLUTION TOO, YOU KNOW. '''You neglect to mention (surprise surprise) that it was written by MULTIPLE people over THOUSANDS of years - and it lines up perfectly! How could that happen if something, someONE, wasn't guiding it? Knowing atheists in general, you'd answer "oh it's a coincidence or chance or something NOT GOD". The chances of that happening are so low that it's actually more logical to believe God influenced it.'''

AND THAT SEEMS MORE LIKELY THEN SOME CRAZY ALL KNOWING BEING THAT I HAVE NEVER ONCE SEEN OR HEARD. '''You haven't seen or heard Him because you don't WANT to. What you're doing is equivalent to going "Okay, I'm going to close my eyes, and if I can't see the tree in front of me, it doesn't exist." Plus, you haven't seen or heard the wind - only its effects on people. Same with God. I've seen what He can do in people for what it is, but you'd rather chalk it up to chance because you don't WANT to believe that it was God.'''

ALSO, IF HUMANS EVOLVED FROM APES, THERE ARE STILL APES TODAY DUE TO SPLITTING OF A COMMON ANCESTOR; IN OTHER WORDS, SOME TYPES OF APES DID NOT EVOLVE OR EVOLVED SLOWER, BUT A CERATIN TYPE OF APE DID EVOLE INTO HUMANS. THE OTHER APES THAT DID NOT EVOLVE ARE THE APE RACE WE SEE TODAY. '''I don't think I'm knowledgeable enough to answer this, please consult someone who knows what they're talking about on this subject. I know you probably won't since you don't want to believe you're wrong, but hey, maybe you will.'''

SEE, THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH CHRISTIANS- GOING AGAINST ALL LAWS OF PHYSICS (WITH THE LAW OF GOD) AND SCIENCE (BIG BANG, EVOLUTION). SCIENCE IS CLEARLY THE MORE MODERN, MORE SCIENTIFIC, "SMARTER" ROUTE THAN A BEING WITH UNLIMITED POWER CREATED THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO (WHEN PEOPLE WERE CAVEMEN AND COULDNT EVEN COMPREHEND A SENTENCE (/S)). '''Who says God goes against the laws of physics? Thing is, Anons, God MADE those laws of physics. Think of it this way - a game dev can make a game. He can then manipulate that code, even change it completely. God doesn't really need to stick to the laws of physics. And many things have happened that SHOULD go against those laws, what we call "phenomenons" - if they're not proof that something can BYPASS those laws, I don't know what is.'''

SO THE ANSWER IS NO? '''If you do not let Jesus take your sin, you cannot enter Heaven. End of story.'''

AND WHY IS JESUS SO IMPORTANT? WHY NOT GOD HIMSELF '''Jesus is also known as God the Son. That's why we sometimes refer to Him as "The Trinity". Father, Son, Holy Spirit.'''

OR JUST BEING A GOOD PERSON? THATS MUCH MORE FAIR THAN HAVING TO BOW DOWN TO SOMEONE, YOU KNOW? '''Even if you are a good person overall, you have still sinned, and God cannot abide by sin. What has been done cannot be undone. That's the whole reason Jesus died on the cross - so ANYONE can get into Heaven, despite that sin.'''

 BUT IF HE WERE NICE, HE WOULDNT HAVE EVEN MADE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CONSTANTLY SUFFER... '''He didn't. The Garden of Eden was probably the most beautiful place ever, but it was through humanity's own sin that we made our world a place to suffer. We don't suffer because of God, we suffer because of our own actions.'''

BUT I DONT THINK THATS WORTH THE MASS SLAUGHTERING. ALSO THERE ARE STILL QUITE A FEW PEOPLE WHO HATE JEWS TODAY. '''Exactly - YOU don't think it was worth it, but God had a good reason for it. I explained this above. Also, there will always be people who hate Jews, and there will always be people who hate blacks, and there will always be people who HATE. That doesn't mean God should be blamed for it.'''

NO NO NO.... WHICH DO YOU THINK PROVES GOD'S LOVE MORE- KEEPING HIMSELF SECRET SO PEOPLE HAVE TO ACTIVELY SEEK OUT TO FIND EVIDENCE OF HIM- OR BE A NICE PERSON AND SHOW HIMSELF TO EVERYONE TO SHUT ATHIESTS UP? NOT IN A FORCED WAY- BUT RATHER A NICE, WELCOMING WAY. THAT IS WAY WAY NICER THAN THE FIRST OPTION '''In your opinion, which you seem very eager to pass off as fact. As I said before, even if He showed Himself, some people wouldn't believe in Him. And then faith would be totally useless. After coming back to life, Jesus met some of His disciples, and they believed He was who He said He was. But Thomas said that he wouldn't believe it was Jesus unless he saw the marks in Jesus' hands and side. Jesus came to Thomas, and then Thomas believed. Jesus blessed the other disciples for having faith in Him - since Jesus had SAID that He would come back. Those other disciples had faith in Him, Thomas did not. Same thing with this - blessed are the people who have not yet seen (as in physically), but still believe.'''

GOD? WELL, I OBVIOUSLY THINK HES FAR FROM PERFECT... BUT FROM A CHRISTIANS PERSPECTIVE. '''Tell me when God has been imperfect. I will say in advance - what you call "homophobia" is justified, since He made sex for one man and one woman. Homosexuality is essentially abusing that. However, God has not harassed them unjustly, and if you truly follow Him, you shouldn't either. I know I'm going to get a lot of hate since this isn't a popular opinion, but that's simply how it is.'''

<span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-size:12px;font-weight:400;">SO WHY CANT HE JUST DO THAT WHEN THE BABY IS ALIVE, RATHER THAN DEAD? SEEMS REDUDANT TO WAIT THAT LONG. '''As I said, I don't understand His reasoning, but I know He HAS a reason. But either way, the baby has that chance to accept Jesus. What's the difference?'''

SO YOU'RE 100% CERTAIN THAT THERE IS A GOD, NOT ONE DOUBT IN YOUR MIND. YOU DODGED IT THE FIRST TIME. '''I ignored the first question because I'm pretty sure it goes unsaid. Of course I'd live poorly with Jesus! Read the following Bible verses, Revelation 3:17-18:'''

''' 17  You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18  I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.'''

IMA SAY IM 99% SURE THERES NO GOD. THERE IS A POSSIBILITY. BUT YOU CANNOT BE 100% SURE IF YOU ARE. BEING TOUCHED BY GOD, MAYBE A DREAM? '''One does not dream whilst awake. And if you say it's a hallucination, why did it also happen to everyone else in the room? In fact, it happened again a few days ago at church during worship - I FELT His presence in the room. It wasn't something physical, but I still KNEW He was there with us. Moments like that cannot be chalked up to delusion.'''

SEEMS UNLIKELY, RIGHT? WELL, "UNLIKELY" IS NOT "IMPOSSIBLE" '''It's not "unlikely" NOR "impossible" that God exists. He DOES exist. Therefore, it is CERTAIN.'''

CHRSITIANS WITHIN THEMSELVES HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT OPINIONS ABOUT GOD. ITS SO CONFUSING EVEN TO THEM, WHICH IS A HINT THAT ITS JUST UNCLEAR AND NOT REAL. '''What the hell kind of logic is that? Some people think the Earth is flat, therefore the Earth probably isn't real? Wat?'''

THATS MY POINT. BUT ATHEISM, WHILE NOT ALL THE SAME, IS A MORE MODERN APPROACH TO RETHINK THIS WHOLE OMNIPOTENT BEING THING. '''No, Anons, by your own logic, atheism is unclear and not real, because there are different opinions among atheists. You just disproved atheism, congrats!'''

SURE ONLY 10% IS ATHIEST, BUT IT IS RISING. ONCE WE HAVE AI AND ALL THAT CRAP, RELIGION WILL BE A THING OF THE PAST. '''Why would AI disprove God? You're not making sense here.'''

NOAHS ARC/ARK (I FORGET SORRY) IS A LIE. Then prove it.

WELL, ACTUALLY, I CANT REALLY SAY THAT Exactly.

BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY OTHER BIZARRE THINGS LIKE JUST MAGICALLY CREATING A WHOLE UNIVERSE IN AN INSTANT, WHICH, NOT ONLY WOULD BREAK EVERY LAW OF PHYSICS KNOWN '''As I said before, God MADE those laws of physics. Why should He have to stick to them?'''

WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THE WHOLE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY RETHINK IT. '''So if we have to rethink it, whatever we're considering must be wrong? Again, you're not making sense.'''

SO SURE I CANT PROVE IT FALSE BUT YOU CANT PROVE THIS CRAZY STUFF TRUE. '''How's it crazy? Why would Noah's ark be impossible? It's literally building a boat, just a really big boat. That's possible. See the Titanic.'''

WELL, UNDER THE WELL-STUDIED LAWS OF PHYSICS YES. BUT UNDER SOME OMNIPOTENT BEING CREATED THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO WITH VERY, VERY LITTLE PROOF, THEN NO. '''"Very little proof"? Now you're just trying to dismiss everything that ATHEIST ARCHAEOLOGISTS, who set out to TRY AND DISPROVE GOD, have found. That's kinda insulting, actually. Not only to Christians, but to all the archaeologists and ACTUAL SCIENTISTS who've put in that effort. "Oh, no, what you found is useless because it doesn't support what I want to think." - That's basically what you're saying.'''

IF I GAVE YOU GOOD ENOUGH EVIDENCE THAT YOU WOULDNT BELIEVE, WOULD YOU GIVE UP YOUR RELIGION? PROBABLY NOT. '''If you managed to prove beyond reasonable doubt that God does not exist, I would likely give up Christianity. But the thing is, you'll NEVER be able to do that, since I've felt for myself UNDISPUTABLE PROOF that He exists. Through His touch.'''

THEN DO NOT GO SAYING THAT TO ME WHEN YOU WOULD PROBABLY NOT GIVE UP GOD AT GUNPOINT. '''I would not give up God at gunpoint. You should know how much I value truth, Anons, and I will NOT deny God.'''

AND THE BIBLE EVIDENCE IS PRETTY NOT BAD, BUT THE ACTUAL EVIDENCE OF THE GOD? '''His touch. Phenomenons that the laws of physics cannot explain. God's effects on people. There are many people who've set out to disprove God, but ended up becoming Christian themselves. If Christianity was such a big lie, how would people BIASED AGAINST IT come to accept it?'''

ANY EVIDENCE OF NOAHS ARK/ARC, SUCH AS THE REMNANTS OF IT? OR MORE THINGS BEING MAGICALLY CREATED BY GOD LIKE HE USED TO? '''Not Noah's ark specifically, but they found the walls of Jericho. They also found Jesus' tomb (and no skeleton, fancy that!)'''

BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS, A TEACHER DOES NOT KNOW THAT HE WOULD BE A BAD STUDENT IN THE FIRST PLACE. THEY ARE NOT ALL KNOWING '''So what? God gave us free will. We choose to abuse it. Why should that make God a bad teacher? He will not force us to listen to Him in the same way your maths teacher won't. But if you fail the end of year maths test, that's YOUR fault. Not your maths teacher's.''' I will also implore you, once again, to watch what you're typing. You're becoming slowly more and more disrespectful.