Board Thread:Role Ideas (Mafia)/@comment-37322933-20181219214215/@comment-37322933-20181221195929

XDGamerz wrote: RASENGAN6 wrote: Changing the way the role works, slightly.

Now, if you visit someone that is dealing any kind of attack at night, that attack will be redirected toward you, and your attack will fail. Also, you can prepare any night, and you won't die on third attack, you just can only attack thrice. So basically a mini witch, you should turn this into an MS rather than MK considering it "protects" mafia(could also backfire)  also note that this is a weaker mafioso if you try to make it an MK. BTW you shouldn't give an MK the ability to literally get a confirmed kill on a night imo,like lets compare this to the ambusher.. '''The taking the attack part does not make it a mini-witch. It is an MK, because it kills things. It doesn't protect mafia, because most killers it would run into are hurting Town.'''

The ambusher requires a target to visit his target(cough CRUSADER cough) and there are some downsides that makes the ambusher actually balanced

'''Obviously, this has downsides too. It can only kill thrice, whereas the ambusher could theoretically get a kill every single night.'''

Meanwhile the "Titan" can kill people independently however he can only attack on even nights it seems.. bcuz there is literally no reason not to prepare right? '''oh my god. THERE IS SO MUCH OF A REASON NOT TO PREPARE. Because if you HAVE to kill the next night, and if you only have three kills, it is so much better to save the kill for later. The mafia getting an extra kill during the night is GAME CHANGING. Why would you just prepare n1 and waste that? making it somewhat OP if you think about it but this role has an f ton of downsides that literally makes the role handicapped like id rather have a framer than a Titan since the Titan here currently is more UP than a framer and this is also countered by  spy bcuz im guessing that there will be a message that says "Your target is preparing" that is really stupid. why would you assume that? you are making assumptions for no reason. Do you think after you prepared, you would get a message saying "you prepared last night."? No, of course not, just like a Serial Killer doesn't get a message saying "You killed your target." The Spy's bug doesn't even see the "Godfather has ordered you to kill his target." message. It isn't countered by Spy at all. And if you mean the Spy seeing mafia visits, you're even more stupid (not gonna go into that).'''

Imo i would fix this by removing the downsides such as if you were roleblocked/jailed you will die and etc BUT giving him the ability to kill if he has good scum reading such as the "Stalker" MK concept '''The stalker MK concept is trash. It's literally an MK without any downsides whatsoever, and while you could scum read, almost none is required. Someone claims TP. You stalk them to mayor, easy kill. Someone claims vigi gonna shoot whoever. You stalk them, easy kill. Plus, if the part where you see your target's visits is implemented, it literally just becomes a better mafia tracker. OR we could change his invest results and still kills the attacker after being attacked ( Target that decided to attack/alert/gaze/drain/etc) Ruins the whole point.'''

PS: Make him to instantly be promoted into mafioso if there are no GF/Mafioso left.

obviously. and make him cannot co-exist with the Ambusher''' why? you offer no explanation. There is nothing wrong with these two being together. It's just like any other RM combo. If they work well together, it's good. Saying they can't coexist is like saying Consig and Disguiser can't be together, because the combo "makes disguiser op".'''

and also don't forget make the MK a unique role '''​​​​​​​sure, I'll go with that one. '''we don't want to see 4 mafia kills