Thread:Jallybwan/@comment-32783587-20180213033714/@comment-32783587-20180216015817

Jallybwan wrote: Anons unite wrote: agnostic theism seems like a good bet, but im probably more of an agnostic ATHIEST, which is in between agnostic and athiest. i honestly dont really know. Wat '''look up "agnostic athiest" thats what i think i fit into, but im kinda unsure. more than "agnostic thiest"''' also nope not 100%. the alien might be forcing you to think there is a 100% chance, think about it, it cant be 100%. It can when you're talking about God :3 '''huh? explain. ''' and you also cant explain how god is good even though you dont understand him fully. past experiences? then why not help you even more? He helps me every single day, in even the most basic things. '''please please please try and explain in words HOW he helps you so i can better understand it like even if its a rough estimate at least try! ''' its cause of his plan which you trust? circle logic?. I disproved the circle logic with "past experience", you can't then use that as a point to "prove" the circle logic <_> '''okay, what about the people that never really get the good things in life? and just because youre christian means you get helped out, but doesnt help out any athiests (certainly hasnt helped me out, or if he does i dont know about it, like come on god help me not get rejected by that girl i like) even though he created people knowing who would be what?''' you cant explain in words? really? why even have a hell, "where else would sinners go" could be easily invalidated by him having unlimited power and somehow finding a way to put them in hell. '''God's presence will withdraw from everywhere except Heaven, and He is everything good. Therefore, everything except Heaven will be literally all bad... but.... that.... you know what, nevermind, its probably me being an idiot. ok fine, ill say it: how does that validate the fact that theres a hell, just put all the sinners in heaven somehow and be fair to the people you created? if everythings so bad, why leave people there? and how do you know he will withdraw, and why even do it in the first place?  Clarifying something: I say "anything", but it turns out I was partially wrong in that regard - He cannot go against His nature. But His nature is to be perfect, which includes omnipotence. So there's your explanation for this point. what? when did you say anything? and why didnt god help adam and eve if he could have somehow made an order that he is 100% sure they will listen to Who said He didn't help them after that? Genesis 3:21 - "The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them." All they had for clothes were sewn-together fig leaves, which wouldn't be useful for insulation at all. okay, great and all, but why not save their butts by telling them to not listen to the snake in the first place, unlimited power? why not kill snake?and plus, isnt satan techincally gods creation, so why make them at all/why not change them to be nice?''' and i still dont get how creating people knowing they would go to hell without changing shit (without violating anything) is the best life for them...... explain that. '''For Heaven's sake... SOME people will go to Hell. And I've addressed this so many times I'm starting (lmao I finished ages ago) to lose patience -_- getting a bit cocky there, as usual, eh? (that was a joke, its pretty logical) but i have countered your counter. so explain: why is there a hell, and why not create people to go into heaven without violating free will (how is that hell the best life for anyone if its not in his presence) and if they do end up in hell, send them into heaven (fuck that abide by sin thing, unlimited power can bypass that dammit (that was not meant to be rude))''' i dont want to start another argument, you just havent explained those things clearly. Well you've kinda started up a new one anyway, why the heck not continue it here