Board Thread:Role Ideas (Rework)/@comment-33601385-20181020091428/@comment-36558623-20181020171625

SCl007 wrote: As most of you know I have posted quiet a few mafia balance changes but this is by far at least in my opinion the best version of all of them setting the bar high

Buff- You will see all of the actions preformed by the fellow mafia, for example (James Bayley is the leader of the town they must by the mayor for seeing a consig' s results)

'''It works. But isn't that neccisary now that Spy doesn't see mafia chat. It doesn't hurt the game though, so it's fine.'''

Buff- Your name will not be reviled (this mechanic is silly but some may argue that no name at all makes it too op in which case I would do it so only the ambushee learns the name and nobody else)

Buff- You can now camp at members of the mafia's house but only once per member. this can be used to fool spies and deter pesky ti but once per member is to prevent it from being a partial mafia protective

Change- You will always get promoted last as you are already an independent MK

Buff- You are told the name of the person you attack if they survive

I don't play coven, let someone else judge this.

Buff- Your target is now prevented from speaking in their night chats (Mafia, Coven, Vampires, Jailor, Medium seances bypass this) this can be used to trick the jailor in to killing the silent person who was the Lookout give evils a bit more claim space in jail (you can say I am blackmailed. in the chats) and prevent coven and vamps from sharing key information '''this is only really a nerf to jailor. besides, if you're jailed you can't be bmed the next day, and you can just claim to the entire town. if you can say "I am blackmailed" they'll just expect you to claim in the morning. this would only work if you were something with a target on your back like ret or mayor, but even that's fine because tp can be on you. and spy destroys this because, let's assume the players in this game are competent, a spy will post their results every night. so if you don't have a claim ready, and you say "i am blackmailed", the jailor could check the spy's will, see your bs, and you're immediatly a fraud. so this change does almost nothing.'''

Buff- So this came from the fact that Consig is just a better invest but you will now be told if you prevented an ability roles that don't have/don't as well as roles with role block immunity will not display the message for example (the vigi decides to shoot the mafioso you role block him it says you prevented blanks ability last night but if he choose not to shoot that message will not display)

'''if you block an ability... you get the role? that's just a better consig. visiting roles like ti's are what mafia looks for, so if you get that result, you're better.'''

consort is fine as it is, you don't need to change it.

Change- Moved to the alignment as I feel it fits better there

'''this would make the alignments even (4 in each). i don't really feel this change is neccisary though, as cleaning roles deceives the town by giving them less info.'''

Buff- I know Jani is currently one of the most powerful mafia roles and the most powerful md by far but you now can choose to clean the mafia's kills this includes ambusher and if the Mk was redirected via Witch/Trans you will still clean who they killed

this is mostly a coven change, i don't have much to say on it, except that janitor is the most powerful RM, whatever buff this is, it probably isn't needed.

Buff- You now how 3 fake wills that you may set up at day at night you may choose which will you would like to forge on

this is a buff for lazy people, it's not needed

Buff- if your target is hung after the day you forged your forged will, will show instead

this is fine

-Buff you may now choose what investigative results your framed target has however they will always appear as mafia to a sheriff

-Buff A spy cannot see your visits

-Nerf A spy will see if a target is framed if they had their bug planted on the target

-Buff your framed target will be shown to viset the person the mafia killed by a tracker and they will show up as a visitor if a lookouts target dies

'''no. this just breaks fundamentals of the game. if you want to nerf these two make it so that the lookout doesn't see mafia's visits and tracker doesn't see you visit, but this change is just weird.'''

-Buff A Framed target will always show up as evil (they can still be the actual evil but they will always appear evil) in a psychics vison and they cannot be seen as good if they are framed

-Buff Disguises are permeant until you switch off

-Buff you will told the investigative results of your target if you stay disguised as them for 2 days allowing you to formulate claims

Buff- You will show up as your target to a lookout or tracker.

what?

i have personally already suggested changes similar to these, but i also suggest that a vigilante and jailor die or lose exes if they execute a disguiser.

tell me what yall think of this any questions?

any comments?

any critiques? Well, I'm going to be quiet honest. I feel like none of these changes are grounbreaking, they're either sub-par or don't work. I feel like these changed wouldn't save mafia, they would just make their win-rate go up like 2-3 percent.

You also didn't change Mafioso which severely needs reworking.