Board Thread:Debate of The Week/@comment-28112409-20171025060017/@comment-33224790-20171026004926

KarpToEndAllKarps wrote: Lazuli-Heart wrote: KarpToEndAllKarps wrote: Team Doctor While the Bodyguard can kill evils, so can other Townies (there's an entire Alignment for that). I'd argue that the killing mechanic massively hinders the Bodyguard, as even the greatest Bodyguard of all time will only save one person. Doctor can succesfully heal without killing himself, so dependent on player skill, you can save 4 or 5 targets throughout the game.

'''So, if your TP was a Doctor, yet they were new and rather bad at the game, it's practically useless, barely managing one heal. With a BG, no matter the skill, they often manage to do their job.'''

''' If we are judging each role on how good they are, we should look at their potential, not what a noob could do. '''

'Ok, time to look at Potential. The Doctor can potentialy stop someone from dying, and then the Mafia has the potential to attack the Doctor (Expecially with a Consig) and so then potentially, the person will still die. Even if the Doctor potentially used a self-heal, it's delaying the enevitable, as they could potenitally attack the Doctor the night after the Heal use.'

'The Bodyguard can potenitally take out a killer, stopping their reign of terror. They can potentially kill the last evil role, winning the game for the Town. It could potentially stop the Hex Master from hexing the last player.'

Also, don't underestimate the Mafia's power to win, even with one dead. In the Ranked rolelist, there is the Mafioso, the Godfather, and two Random Mafia. Even if the Bodyguard knocks out the Mafioso, there's still 3 mafia. At that point, they still have lots of voting power.

'''Yes, Mafia can still win even with a member dead. Yet, it makes the Mafia easier to take down with a member gone. With a Doctor, the Mafia's still in-tact, just slightly annoyed.'''

''' I'm more than slightly annoyed when I fail to kill that TI, or that one player that's too smart. A good Doctor thinks like the Mafia would. If the Mafia is thinking well, then each of their kills is instumental to their victory. '''

'This is true, I'd be more than slightly annoyed when that TI is still alive. We are talking about smart players in this sinario, so if all the kills are instrumental, they would kill that Doctor in order to kill the TI.   I also get more than a little annoyed when the Doctor heals my sister. '

All in all,the Bodyguard is a wannabe TK, but doesn't work nearly as well as the Jailor and the Vigilante. This heavily hinders his protective ability, and leaves him of low value to the Town.

'''I'll admit, it could possibly be counted as a wannabe TK. Yet a Jailor could be counted as a wannabe TP, and nobody bats an eye. All in all, the Bodyguard is far more helpful.'''

'''For the sake of argument, let's pretend that isn't completely irrelevant. Jailor is balanced because it both helps and hinders whoever you're jailing. '''

'How's it help them again? It roleblocks them and makes their role be revealed once the Jailor dies. This is irrelevant though so ye.'