Board Thread:Debate of The Week/@comment-28112409-20171101070508/@comment-26234016-20171106225349

Thatsmuggamer wrote: Cats333 wrote: Team no tactical

Isn't mafia already powerful? I'm not sure if this will benefit the mafia, but mafia has pretty powerful roles. heh, it isn't all that powerful.

First of all, holy crap this thread is long... yeah.

second of all, mafia has two powerful roles to support; consiglere and consort '''so? I mean you forgot BMer'''

why consort? well, first off, you can rbd a bg pretty well (unless theres a lookout, but some lookouts are stupid...not saying that anyone here is stupid) it'll lower the defense of the town. Unless they call out that they've been rbd, you've pretty much gotten an upper hand. also, being killed to sk by visiting them will destroy sk (if you got that fake will or actually consort will). depending on where the game is at. It'll most likely benefit mafia. '''so? Lookouts can be stupid, and it might mean town is screwed over, and escorts/jailor/consort all get killed by SK and at the same way'''

Dude... you're hurting your own side. You are agreeing with Cats here.

With consiglere, you find out people's roles (but with arso buff, its harder). i have no clue how consiglere cannot be unbeneficial to mafia (unlless they dont talk) especially since spy cant hear mafia anymore. '''Yeah. so? Gamethrowers happen, and yeah, I hate the spy nerf, but that has nothing to do with this.'''

Dude... you're hurting your own side. You are agreeing with Cats here.

Then ya got them deception roles...they're just great to have. Janitor is awesome. Janitor can see wills, roles, and block out people from seeing the true role/will. It is a great benefit to mafia. however, cleaning someone can easily alert people that there's a janitor and a medium can easily tell people's role. Janitor can claim med easily tho (unless there is med then u screwed). Disguiser, well, i just dont really want to say anything...disguiser before  a certain update was really op...except that named wills easily killed them. Today's disguiser just transforms into that role and i have nothing else to say (help me team no tactical-_-). '''NOBODY CAN SAVE YOU FROM BEING DEBUNKED. Janitor has a harder time since they clean, OH NO JANITOR disguiser and nothing to do with tacitcal mafia.'''

Dude... you're hurting your own side. Literally, you agree with Cats that Janitor is good. And her point about disguiser is valid (I know that all too well ripperoo). Stop agreeing with her or join our side.

Forger is hard. Forger need help because forging a will takes some time (unless you copy and pasted when you prepared). Also, forging an alive person just wastes the will. You also lose valuable info that couldve helped the mafia. (forger need buff? just a thought). '''so? no buff necesarily needed except the one we're debating. But, that's why we kill and forge at the same time!'''

Framer is easy. just frame people, just be jestery or pretend to be framed. Boom, done. '''so? If you act like a jester, you will be shot or executed.'''

You probably won't, really. In my experience (and I know I shouldn't balance off of experience but I don't have the data on hand) it's rare for jesters to get killed by jailor/vig. For the most part, they don't want to waste the execution/bullet.

Yeah. I dont know how tactical mafia will help. At this point, mafia is already powerful. OOF, it isn't as powerful as the townies are

Then why have you said that mafia are powerful four times. She has talked about seven roles. You cannot debate against yourself.

OH I FORGOT BMER. yeah he just silences poeple and hears conversations. dunno how that helps. '''IT HELPS MONUMENTALLY! You shut someone up, and nobody other than you or the recipient/sender of the message knows what they are saying, so noone can hide secrets anymore.'''

Dude... you're hurting your own side. You are agreeing with Cats here. Um, dude, we are talking about buffing the entire mafia, not just single roles. we are talking about letting the GF know what the info is immediately! Not just that, there is also the factional kill and Mafia Amne. But if it buffs the mafia, it buffs all mafia roles.

I can honestly see Cat's point here. I agree that mafia needs a buff, and that mafia is decently powerful. I think the godfather change will push the mafia over the edge, and that the mafia don't need that specific buff. Personally, I'm fine with the factional kill and have no opinion on the Mafia Amne. But I'm still on team no tactical.