Board Thread:Role Ideas (Rework)/@comment-38127112-20190314223611/@comment-38127112-20190317020152

TheRetroPioneer wrote: Connortheandroid wrote: The disguiser “not being able to able to control what people say” was because the original disg controlled what people said, this resulted in a players getting banned without doing anything wrong because the mafia took the ability of “deception” to an extreme, if that wasnt a good explanation of it just search up “old disguiser”

Mafia does need a buff, I mean the only time I’ve ever seen a mafia win in a normal game is with a dumb TK, an unlucky TP, new players who are townies, a bad jailor, or a bunch of townies leaving or gamethrowing, don’t even get me started on disguiser, they suck so much that if BMG isn’t gonna buff them at all they might as well remove them because its a sucky role, what are the odds of you actually guessing what role you disguised as, the most use I’ve ever gotten out of disg was them dying to SK when they disguised as mayor, revealing the mayor to us, which consigliere can do without dying, multiple times. Well...yeah....I don't know what you mean by "not controling what people say".

I don't agree with the Mafia needing a buff, I recorded about 100-ish games where I recorded to see who won, and the Mafia had the highest winning rates here. Record it for yourself if you don't believe me. '''I do agree that Mafia needs some kind of change in Ranked mode, though; also, I think Mafia wins because of numbers and the fact that they know who each other are, they have to kill less people to win, etc.; The roles themselves need to be more balanced and solid. Not necessarily buffed as you propose, just not stupid to use.''' Vampires and survivors? Wtf? Also you didnt think about the NK wins, also in those wins mafia coulda just gotten combinations like janitor and consigliere, if they both had disguisers the wins would maybe be at 10