Board Thread:Role Ideas (Mafia)/@comment-2600:8803:4000:9970:C5FD:A0C6:AF10:7E69-20180821075945/@comment-27128035-20180821163414

'''A long time ago, I was in favor of adding a Kidnapper-like role to Town of Salem. However, due to it being a Consort rehash, I was eventually convinced that it might not be the best role to add in the game. Nevertheless, I will review your role.'''

'2600:8803:4000:9970:C5FD:A0C6:AF10:7E69 wrote: Attack None Defense None

Alignment: Mafia(Support)

Unique: Yes

Summary: your experienced with taking people for an organized crime.

Immunities: nothing :/

Abilities: -You can click the sun button to choose who to kidnap in the daytime.

Attributes:

-You may talk with the mafia at night. Yep.

-You may also anonymously talk with your hostage. KK.

-You can choose to turn your hostage into a member of the mafia only 2 times. '''This makes Kidnapper overpowered tbh. '''

-The jailed victim cant perform their night ability. It's a buffed consort.

-While jailed, the hostage is safe from all attacks Alrighty.

-You can also choose to beat the hostage, not allowing them to vote once. '''Interesting ability, but Kidnapper is already very powerful as it is. It might work for another MS role.'''

Goal: Kill anyone who will not submit to the mafia.

Sheriff: mafia

Invest: Spy/BMer/Jailor/GA/Kidnapper k.

Consig/Witch/CL: They are experienced with taking people from their homes at night, they must be a Kidnapper!

They will appear as Jailor. '''(when the kidnapper beats or changes the hostage they will see it as an exe). '''Hmm. Alright.

When a Jailor and a Kidnapper try to jail/kidnap eachother on the same night it will say that neither of them used their abilities. (also jailor and kidnapper could jail/kidnap eachother.) --> K.

'''Notes: yes this is probably OP and yes this "copies" Jailor but there are reasons for the jailor. the jailor is self confirming, so this gives town a reason to not trust the jailor. also the copycat rule has been broken by escort/consort and spy/blackmailer. and as for it being OP, look at the juggernaut. if you have suggestions on how to make this seem less OP let me know please.'''  

Interesting role and an interesting attempt to break the confirmability of the Jailor. However, the role is '''overpowered. ''' Converting 2 mafia members, the ability to interrogate for roles, the ability to take someones vote away, and the ability to roleblock, all the while being able to put the Jailor's identity into question. That is too much. In my opinion, I believe what you should do is remove every ability except the kidnap ability. '''Give the kidnapper the ability to fake execute. There is also a 1 night cooldown to each kidnap. I feel that will make the kidnapper more balanced.'''

Some other questions/concerns about this role:

- Does Spy see its visits?

- If the hostage is visited by someone, will they get results or will they appear as "Jailed"?

- In High Elo (Diamond/Master), the Kidnapper can hardly claim Jailor. Due to the popularity of VFR, eventually everyone will be outed for claims. if the Kidnapper claims Jailor, the real Jailor will execute them (while staying anonymous). Even if the real Jailor is revealed, they can easily prove themselves through other means. An example is making Jailor Claim A jail someone different entirely, and Jailor Claim B jail and execute Jailor Claim A.

- If Kidnapper/Jailor is kidnapped/jailed, will they still be able to interrogate their target and use their night abilities?

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~ User:BobbytheBlobby