Board Thread:Role Ideas (Rework)/@comment-35766038-20190813060409/@comment-35356104-20190813165534

Hellooo buds XD Thanks for that! I know the answer actually, I just don't wanna say it right away cause I think I wanna make an opening for people to think further (but I don't know if this is the right way of doing it :P) But it's okay, I'll put things straightforwardly.

The first tier of confirmability: self-confirming. Their confirmability is supported by clue generated by system exclusively for certain role which cannot be falsified by any mean. the reason these roles are confirmed is because their claim or evidence they provide are facts, but not some arguments. Sounds sickening, but luckily, confirmability of roles like Mayor/Transp doesn't really pose issue for Forger :) Cause their will posted after death has nothing to offer to on-going progression where people pay almost no attention to them. For Transp, perhaps it clarifies some messed-up cases there, but most of time the transported target will report themselves being transported immediately the day after. Mayor or Retri? I doubt anyone would refer it LOL. As it serves little to no post-mortem value when it mostly used for self-confirming for roles like Transp & Esc while they're still alive. Even with enough space for manipulation, it wouldn't do anything too impactful because limitation of their role restricting source of information they could give, while they aren't primarily the information provider. They are not that famous target of Forger if they were to choose rationally, or at best, simply removing their will (but for current state, I don't think Forger prioritize role to target, they just spend all their uses and stay idle). Roles of this category themselves possess inherent issue in their concept, modifying Forger can't do much to it. Soo... put 'em in da cage & everything will be fine.

Second tier of confirmability: third-party confimation. Their findings/evidence can be verified by third-party, hence proving what they claim. Put it in a simplier word, which more trustworthy; you say it yourself, or somebody else says it for you? This group comprises all TI. Whenever TI posts their will, players have the capacity to check the authenticity of the "evidence". If people give it a pass, then they're confirmed. However, the confirming process involves only verbal interaction, which means there could be some leaks to initiate a manipulation. For example, a will can be forged in a fashion where 1 fake information is pinpointing at a specific individual, while other information remained correct (You can put all Mafia members in with combination of some deads or confirmed Town with chronology you checked them before they were confirmed, and another is the one you want to frame). This group is worth forging as it can potentially maximize the efficiency of deception, since progression relies a lot on TI.

Third tier of confirmability: Unconfirmed. Hard or soft-claiming are the most viable option to do as these roles have no evidence to show publicly, these includes Vigi, TP, Med. Their wills are usually forgettable as it provides almost no information. Almost same condition as self-confirming roles, but these roles don't have the credibility as those first tier do. First tier are given trustworthiness on their will occasionally (like sometimes people may follow the list of suspect by Mayor), but third tier roles don't have the persuasiveness. Think, people listen to the Mayor or a Vigi? So, it wouldn't be a smart choice to forge this group.

In another word, the role of Forger's target itself is limiting forging content. First tier roles can't be forged, third tier roles have no value to be forged. And, like what you had stated, it needs Consig to be useful, otherwise it simply misses out a lot of chance, cause you wouldn't know what role Mafia is going for.

What if, third tier roles become second tier roles? And you don't need Consig cause you alrdy know what your target is going to die as? :)