Board Thread:Role Ideas (Mafia)/@comment-33167183-20180613105727/@comment-28092296-20180613220844

(I've been recording who wins in Coven All/Any games for a few months now and Mafia has ~35% more wins than Coven. If you want, I can spirial into a deep discussion with you about Coven/Mafia game mechanics and wins and whatnot.)

Regarding your evidence:

"All coven can kill. Some Coven can kill roles with defense." This raises Coven severity and lowers Mafia severity.

You listed specific scenarios as why Coven was overpowered. That would be like saying: "The Nazis couldn't have won WW2. I mean, that is assuming that Denmark surrendered to them and Norway didn't have a strike and the United Kingdom didn't remove the RAF."

I see no qualifiers or rebuttals. You may be right that Coven has some direct upgrades from the Mafia, but the Mafia also has some direct/near direct upgrades from the Coven.

"Some Coven roles can kill with defense" This is a false statement—only one of them can.

"Hex master OP AS FUCK "its useless" my ass" This is not evidence. This is a claim with no evidence.

"The Coven's janitor is Medusa, however it's significantly better." This also has no evidence. "The Coven's consort AND consig AND is Coven Leader, in a way at least." "hypno, disg, and ambu suck." Same with these.

"The Coven is capable of killing like killing 4 people a night" They are also capable of killing one person per night, and it's rare to see four coven deaths in a single night. In fact, their kills are so inconsistant, BMG had to add a new game mechanic to buff their killing abilities.

"My demoman idea would have been a great mafia buff, but the real wiki be like "waaah copyright" (even tho we could have changed name and achievements) "waah we no need more MK" Then what? MK is the only way to make it better. " Unsupported claim.

Throughout this entire thing, you only use a small quantity of logos. No pathos (except for unsupported claims) or mythos. Your ethos set you up in a very bad light.

I give you a F for a persuasive essay on why Coven is better than the Mafia.