Board Thread:Role Ideas (Neutral)/@comment-28514142-20180429215255/@comment-28514142-20180430142645

GamesManiac wrote: Huh? Framer's frames and Forger's forgeries aren't permenant?

EDIT: Ok. I went to search up a bit and edit this a numerous times in case I make any mistake again. I'm sorry about Framer. I messed it up with Arsonist and Hex Master's frame. So, there are changes in the probability of Investigative role checking a framed target.

Chemist: 0/14 (0%) N1, 1/14 (7%) N2, 1/14(7%) N3, 2/14 (14%) N4,  2/14(14%) N5, 3/14 (21%) N6 Framer: 1/11 (9%) throughout the game

Framer always frame those they are opposing. Chemist may waste a use to frame an already-evil-person. Chemist could be stronger by times, overall still on par with Framer. Regarding the Last Will, I can't search anything about the permenant Last Will. I thought it was some kind of note which reveal to the public once the target die? How do Chemist expect their framed target to die? Unlike Forger who sided with Mafia knows who is going to die, there are chance that Chemist's framed target survived or the target is an evil without will. My original point doesn't conflict with the idea that "Chemist's framed target is registered to hide their Last Will once they die".I guess I don't miss any key difference you mentioned about the Forger thing.

Still, I'm gonna apologize for missing the key difference. I also like hear more about how the key difference affect the utility while making a different between Framer/Forger&Chemist and how impactful can this role bring for the evil. I think theres another thing you're missing when you talk about wasting a frame on a person already evil:

The Chemist can remove acid, and learns the role of their target.