Board Thread:Role Ideas (Rework)/@comment-33167183-20180719162754/@comment-31680260-20180726094141

Akang22 wrote: Jallybwan wrote: Orecreeper wrote: This role was created because there pretty much HAS to be a role like Surv in a game like ToS.

But I agree that this role is sh*t and should be removed. I disagree. Let's dance. Hey I personally think surv should be replaced but ima try to dance as well.

Here's why:

1. They can see your actual name from the end screen, and I think that should be removed as well. That's only after the game, and if you pick a different name every time, it'd be pretty damn hard to pick you out before the game ends.

2.  Just because you think it's fun doesn't mean it won't be removed if it's boring for most people. '''Did I say that? No. I said fun is subjective. '''

3. "serial killer just kills" yes and ofc mayor just votes. Um do you find sk boring? '''Serial Killer DOES just kill. If you make the argument that it can talk and vote, that applies to Survivor as well. Mayor doesn't even have a night ability. And the point was the lack of creativity - no, SK isn't creative, but you don't see anybody complaining about that. Creativity is not a valid point when discussing roles already in-game.'''

"Escort and consort are carbon copies" well there's going to be some similarities, '''"Some"? No, they're carbon copies.''' and although they have are the same obviously consort is more fun bc it's a maf role and they have different strategies. '''Once again, fun is subjective. You cannot claim that one role is more fun than the other.'''

4. I respectfully disagree in the point that surv has become a "go-to" point for a claim instead of actually trying and making a more believable claim, accompanied with a will. Don't you find trying to catch evils, or trying to hide from the town in a game with no survs more fun than all any? I do. '''Fun is subjective, and the strategy used depends on the player rather than the role. It's not a major imbalance, like the Jailor meta.'''

5. ​​​​​​​Actually I do agree it is way to easy to win in ranked as town, and I believe that it's the skill of the players, not the actual role list. '''If it was based entirely on skill (as it should be), Town wouldn't win nearly as much as it does. The wins would be far more evenly spread. Each player, no matter their skill level, has the same chance (minus scrolls) of getting any role. '''What i think ore means here is that how for surv you don't even need to vote, or do anything, because there's literally no point in anyone asking you for a will if they already know that you're a "surv". '''Of course you don't NEED to do anything. But if you don't do anything, you can't then go and say Survivor isn't fun. You just need to adapt your playstyle to make it fun for you. Claim a Town role if you want to spice things up.''' If you die I guess the people who killed you are stupid, or you made an enemy of them. So if you don't vote or vote with the town but also making it sorta clear to the evils that you are chill, no one will kill you. '''​​​​​​​Then, as I said, don't claim. Fun is subjective. Make it fun for yourself.'''