Thread:Jallybwan/@comment-32783587-20180109025223/@comment-31680260-20180111084821

Anons unite wrote: jally i misunderstood. i thought you were complimenting octo that he insulted me. but im still confused- he only said one sentence, and barely argued in that one point, so why were you not congratulating him when he was debating hard? I was complimenting him on being a good debater through the whole argument - what is your point here?

also, "all god could do was show his ass" is not rude imo. "ass" is not taken literally, it just means to show oneself. As Add said, it's using vulgar language to get a point across - which is rude by definition.

so anyway you are a religious person obviously, but DO you believe in evolution? because there are many people that believe in god but also believe in evolution. if you dont, thats borderline conspiracy theory, because there is countless evidence of evolution if you want to hear them. '''My view on evolution is... interesting, to say the least. I believe that instead of seven days, God created the world in seven eons (the Hebrew words for day and eon are the same thing). I also believe He programmed organisms to be able to adapt. I don't believe that humans evolved from apes though - for starters, that contradicts the Bible, as it says very clearly that God created Adam directly. Second of all though... if humans evolved from apes, why do we still have apes today?'''

for the big bang, yes, it is confusing, but science is trying to understand it and how it was created. if you look up the big bang it might make more sense but most scientists dont now what it is. '''I never said the Big Bang didn't happen. I said that it couldn't have happened naturally under the laws we know to be true. If the Big Bang did indeed happen, I'd say it would be the "Let there be light!" eon, rather than creating everything at once. ='''

but what many of them DO know is that its more likely than god creating it, because an omnipotent being seems downright impossible, as no creature has ever become close to omnipotence, or even any "magic." '''So you're saying that just because humans aren't all-powerful means NOTHING can be all-powerful? What a self-centred, arrogant mindset!'''

and still, many people studying the big bang think god created that, too! so just because the big bang is real doesnt mean god isnt real. That's kinda been my point.

we are probably just a creation of life, with no meaning except to live a nice happy life. we got here by the perfect conditions to form life, and we are just a result of species trying to continue thriving, nothing else. '''I don't believe that. I believe that everyone here has a purpose, something they were designed to do. Even people like Hitler - while yes, he massacred Israel's people (the Jews), it dramatically raised awareness. I think it even allowed them to get their land back, since people realized just how badly they were treated and needed compensation.'''

that seems more likely than some being capable of creating everything by magic and saying "let there be fidget spinners" and stuff. '''Now you're mocking God directly. Stop doing that, Anons, you're not endearing yourself to anyone. As for magic, well, what we call magic is simply science we don't understand yet.'''

and also, burning for eternity or living life happily forever after you die. i just think were a species trying to survive, none else. there is very little proof of any of that, but i did look into the christianity-turning scientists and that was pretty interesting. but that might have just been a scam to get more people to believe. '''If you think it's a scam, find evidence of it being so. Otherwise, you're no better than the conspiracy theorists you put down a couple paragraphs ago.'''

also do athiests go to hell? im pretty sure they do. the forced gift thing is a good point, but still i think being skeptical does not deserve burning for eternity, the worst living conditions possible never ending? '''This is past "being skeptical". What you're doing now is downplaying the situation to make God look unjust. To go to hell, you have to basically spit in the face of God after seeing Him clearly. There would be exactly zero reason not to believe - especially since it says "every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord". We will be SHOWN that He is real - and if you somehow still refuse to believe He exists, that's your fault.'''

like come on god, cut us some slak yes, it was my own fault for not believing, and yes i do partially blame god,, which seems realistic considering my hellish fate. maybe hell for a day, but eternity is just unfair. '''As I have said before, I believe everyone will get one last chance to open their eyes and accept Jesus as their Saviour. '''

seems like it was just created long ago to make someone a better person. also, sure, im not saying make the world perfect, but mamy people suffer so much every single day, and maybe if god could make it a little better. '''To be frank, God HAS been making the world better every now and then. Wanna know how? He made the people here. I follow the belief that every person can and will leave an impact on the world, whether directly or indirectly. And you guys? Without all of you, I would have killed myself a while ago. In that sense, I kinda owe you my life.'''

and "learning from our own mistakes" seems valid, but some people dont even realize theyre making mistakes, and some never. never learn. '''That's why Jesus died on the cross for us. God cannot abide by sin, and we have all sinned, so we shouldn't be able to sit in God's presence. However, in sacrificing Himself, Jesus TOOK that sin from us. He washed it all away with His blood. That is why we need to accept Him as our Saviour. We have to GIVE Him that sin.'''

also, i dont get your point about "going back to something you know." ill be honest, i dont really "know" anything about the big bang, but i know its more likely than god. '''How do you "know" it's more likely than God? Can you give evidence of how you know? If not, this point is invalid.'''

also, i have a question: do you KNOW god exists? or are you 99.9999 certain. i admit i am not 100% certain that god exists, but what if being touched by god was in your imagination, or some chemical reaction, or in a dream? '''I have been touched by God. I have seen His work around me, and I still continue to see it every day. You seem to love talking about likelihood - well, look at what you call "coincidences". If they're so rare, then by your own logic, it's more likely that something - or Someone - guided it to happen.'''

about the proof thing, i mis worded that by accident. I meant that said proof should be a huge thing and be seen by more people. these are very minor. '''Are they minor, though? Following from my "one person can change the world" point, that one person could go on to save millions. Like the pastors at churches - they are one person, but I often see agnostics and atheists come in to my church and leave a Christian.''' I know Add responded, but I wanted to respond myself, since I believe different things to her.