Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31256456-20181228061901/@comment-31256456-20190109041440

ZedKiller13 wrote: Role Ideas do need some improvements, but the reason this is occurring is there isn’t an official rule to follow on how to post them. There’s a page on how to make and review roles. New users have no way of how to get there and get criticized for breaking a rule. In fact, some of those rules are hurting the amount of roles coming in if they are so minor. Sure, supplier roles, Mafia Killing, investigative neutrals that aren’t balanced, stuff like that is prevented because of game balance. But some rules are outdated, like a “Senpai” role. Sure, nothing exactly like it, but if it can help the game in any way possible, go for it!

We assume that each reviewer and creator has a “code” to follow. “These shouldn’t be in here because BMG rejects them, or forumers reject them.”

I don’t think that’s a serious as it looks. Haven’t seen much of anything. How do you think Necromancer got in? Well, maybe it influenced it. BMG seemed to have thought of it, and once a user suggested it then it came in. But still, that role got rejected here and on the forums and look where it is now.

'''I'm in agreement with a lot of this. Though I've also criticized the guidelines of the wiki roles on the discord as well, I don't know how to fix it. '''

For ToTM, I have lost hope. It’s purpose was to reward a certain user for being an extreme helpful contributor to the wiki during a certain month. 2 months between same winners was for balance.

We have not had a single use win twice. Always someone new.

And sorry for speaking out on this, but it’s complete crap on how newer winners win. They reach a certain amount of edits, which contains a bunch of either shitposts or useless bull crap that didn’t improve the wiki. They have good relations with other users. And then they win. And we applaud them even though they didn’t do anything useful.

'''Exactly.... I'm honestly not sure on what to do when it come to ToTM now. '''

This is why I preferred the specific edit requirements rather than a certain amount of edits. Once you reach that point, you are free for eternity. You can do whatever the hell you want: vote, nominate, WHATEVER. You don’t have to do ANYTHING else. Just nominate yourself, vote for yourself, and hope. You. Win. You don’t have to participate at all anymore. Your shitposts granted you the freedom to be lazy and not contribute to the wiki and rather vote on those you like or yourself. And not someone who deserves it.

'''People were against this idea, but I was thinking of the nominee putting more effort than "because this is my friend" by making the nominee make a small portfolio of sorts, where they detail what this user has done in terms of actual physical edits, but not simply listing numbers, as in actual examples of what they did. For example: I could say that the candidate I'm nominating had fixed this page with these edits, etc.'''

My main problem with this limit with the "specific edit requirements" would be that it just encouraged way too much "Change one comma" edit-type scenarios which I saw caused some drama (which I found stupid)

Us staff have discussed changing the rule, and I bring up reverting it. Mainly because the eligibility part gave staff something to do. Gave me something to do, in fact. I used to moderate each nominee and check their eligibility, and I loved it. Kept me connected to the wiki. Then it was removed to “make it easier for users” from what I remember, I may be entirely wrong, but in my view, it made it worse.

'''We should def. have some conversation about this. Even if I disagree with some things.'''

We have some talk of specific dates to vote. Like as in, you can only vote after Feb 20th for instance. Gives everyone time to actually consider their vote if they choose not to vote themselves in a case, while giving time to actually help the goddamn wiki.

'''Alright, that's a thought. '''

I am not as active and probably won’t be for a while. Yet here I am still on here. I just reached 1k mainspace edits. I still want to improve the wiki any way I can.

'''Thanks for that. ​​​​​​'''