Board Thread:Role Ideas (Neutral)/@comment-33307613-20190501012120/@comment-33307613-20190506145250

SgtZaitsev69 wrote: DragonClaw66 wrote: Name: Wendigo

Alignment: Neutral Evil

Summary: A cannibalistic giant that consumes the flesh of its victims. '''OOOH. I love the Wendigo myth. So I hope this role is good'''

Stats: Attack - None, Defense - None (Temporary Invincible) '''Hold up. What?'''

Specials: None

Type: Deception, Manipulation, Non-Unique What does this mean?

Sheriff Results: You cannot find evidence of wrongdoing. Your target seems innocent.

Investigator Results: Your target is rather manipulative. They must be an Escort, Transporter, Consort, Hypnotist, or Wendigo. '''Too many evils in one result. Change maybe?'''

Consigliere Results: Your target consumes the flesh of the deceased. They must be a Wendigo.

Abilities:

- Consume the flesh of a player at night.

Attributes:

- Any attack against your target will be made unstoppable. You will consume your target, making their role and will unrecognizable. '''So like a neutral Janitor. I see how this can replace the Witch, but Unstoppable is too much. Make this Powerful instead, Doctor doesn't need any more nerfs. Also, how does this affect BG?'''

- You will learn the role of your target and roleblock them. '''The roleblock is okay, but why do you need to learn the role? Too much like Witch. Also, this is heavily reliant on having teammates, like the Mafia or an NK. '''

- If you are attacked by a non-Town role for the first time, you will gain temporary invincible defense against all non-Town roles for one night. '''Does this repeat? So if Mafia and SK both attack you, nothing happens? What if they (for some reason) do it again? I see you're trying to make this role weak to Vigi, but most NE's have some sort of defense anyways.'''

Goal: Survive to see the Town lose the game. This is ok

Victory Conditions:

- (Current Witch win conditions).

Achievements:

- Man-Eater: Win 1 game as a Wendigo.

- Ghoul: Win 5 games as a Wendigo.

- Cannibal: Win 10 games as a Wendigo.

- Carnivorous: Win 25 games as a Wendigo.

- Fulfilled: Consume the flesh of three players in a single game.

- Bypass: Assist an evildoer in the murder of a Town role with a Doctor healing them.

- Paralyze: Roleblock a Jailor or Vigilante attempting to kill an evildoer. So overall, this role is very original and has a very cool concept, but there are a few glaring issues:

1. This role is far too reliant on having teamates. I understand how much Witch relies on evil teamates, but the Witch can cause chaos among the Town by sending Vigilantes against their fellow town. This role doesn't do enough harm to Town without Mafia.

2.  Unstoppable is way too much. Roles with Unstoppable like Jester, Arsonist, Pestilence and Jailor require skill and guile to achieve that Unstoppablility.

That being said, this role can easily be fixed. It fits the lore of the game, and with some reworks, could potentially be a viable contender for entering the game. - Type (Deception, Manipulation, Non-Unique): Deception refers to cleaning, manipulation refers to roleblocking, non-unique means multiple of the role can spawn.

- Investigatore Results: Adding the Wendigo to any other investigative result also totals three (or more) evil roles (except for the Vampire Hunter result, but that would be a death sentence). Putting it in the "roleblocker's result" made the most sense, though, it can be changed at any time; the investigative result is one of the least important parts of the role.

- Unstoppable Cleaning: Yep, it's basically a neutral Janitor (and Consort). I believe making this a powerful attack will render the role a lot weaker because this was made to counter the Jailor meta (pierce Town Protectives). As for the Bodyguard interaction, I see the Wendigo letting the attacker pierce the protection.

- Role-Seeing Roleblock: The ability to see the role of the player roleblocked is so the Wendigo isn't left completely in the dark about who their teammates are; I can see how it's like the Witch, but I wouldn't say it's exactly like it. As for being heavily reliant on teammates, that's the point; if the Wendigo wasn't heavily reliant on the Mafia and Neutral Killings, its ability would be completely overpowered.

- Temporary Invincibility: Yes to your first two questions. I don't see why the Mafia and Serial Killer (in your situation) would attack the Wendigo again. They wouldn't have received an immune message for the Wendigo, meaning that they are a Wendigo, Witch, or they were simply healed; if they didn't claim that a Doctor healed them, it means they are the Neutral Evil and should be left alone.

- Reliance on Teammates: I see that its reliant on teammates, so in addition to the devouring ability, I gave the Wendigo the ability to roleblock and learn the role of targets who don't die. Roleblocking is a slightly less powerful control, so it still acts as a powerful disruptive ability for the Town.

- Unstoppable: I don't see how the Wendigo doesn't require skill. Without the use of whispers, which can be very suspicious when used among two unconfirmed players, it has prediction to determine what player the Mafia/Neutral Killing is going to attack.