Board Thread:Role Ideas (Rework)/@comment-33167183-20181022215610/@comment-33307613-20181023144731

Betimawesome wrote: 1: nerf. I've been told time and time again that "The 's advantage over the is decieving the ."...So why on earth does  frame their target? It's a role that LITERALLY kills everyone who isn't on their team in a matter of ~4 nights, i've seen earlier more than once before. Get rid of the Frame ability.

2: buff. Unlike and,  doesn't get to use their ability when roleblocked.

"s biggest disadvantage should be time" - BMG. So can't we make douse roleblockers?

3: All Buff. Playing as a in  Ranked Practice is a nightmare. There's a 1/11 chance you'll be found night one. That may not seem like a lot, but it is. And once you are, you become the 's personal little puppet. If you're a, She can make you suicide. If you're a or, you'll be used to get kills night 4+. But if it is Night One, you'll be spared the mercy at. If it's later than night three, You're a slave and you have no chance of winning unless the or  during the day spare you. Yeah, Just make all control immune.

4: buff. 's biggest issue is that it only affects Two roles. Let's do this. and will see your target as the  who attacks. can view your target is an evil role in their vision, and can not see visiting. Let's also make it where Frames are perma, but can only be done four times. And Finally, Because of and, let's make framer unique.

5: . Okay. So every suggestion I hear involves "Making it pre 1.5" which wasn't good, like, at all. Involves making it OP, or involves it making disguises perma, which isn't bad, but it doesn't change the fact that it REQUIRES YOU TO BE DEAD, which takes a number's disadvantage. For a faction like, you need all the numbers with that 1 KPN. Remove, and give Forgeless , and cleanless the ability to disguise.

6: : Everyone knows the name reveal is shit. Make it: If theres >1 visitor, the won't attack and no one knows name. If theres only 1, he attacks and no one knows name.

7: Sons of absolute harlots. I hate this faction so much. Unpopular opinion, I know. Just allow to find, that'd make it so much better. I mean, can find them as the Framed/Jest/Framer line, so why not ? People are begging for a buff anyway.

8: : Allows to reanimate that always uses Attack potion. Allows to reanimate to use final hex, instead of just frame (which should be gone) Allows to reanimate  without dying (I never understood that...) These three changes would improve the role significantly.

9: {{Poison- MAN! make poison silent (no message) rather than make it uncurable. To offset this, perhaps make it do Powerful Attack too?

10: Medusa Make it have Basic attack when visiting with the necronomicon. It should have no reason to be able kill NK/GF/PB/Vester while visiting.

11: Pestilence. Okay. Either get rid of the message that comes with transformation, OR give him unstoppable attack. I'm so tired of being lynched as soon as I become pest, and hitting jailed/healed/crusadered targets EVERY SINGLE TIME except for two times. And i'm sure a lot of other people have the same fate as me Hex Master (Frame Nerf): I don't think that douse/hex-framing should exist. I agree with you here.

Arsonist (Roleblocker Buff): Sure. We should remove douse-framing and provide the Arsonist with some other buff(s).

Neutral Killing (Control Buff): I agree. Neutral Killings need to be buffed if we want the winrate to be at a decent level.

Framer (Frame Buff): On the forums, I have created an overhaul that incorporates all of these buffs (almost exactly). I have no choice but to agree.

Disguiser (Replacement): I don't believe that this is necessary. Replace/overhaul the Disguiser. Other roles do not need these traits.

Ambusher (Ambush Buff): I have created the same rework except visitors are notified that an Ambusher attempted to ambush them. Yours doesn't punish bad play. Also, I want the Ambusher moved to Coven. The Mafia revolves around deception and the Coven revolves around murder.

Vampires (Detection Nerf): Let's overhaul the Vampires and Vampire Hunter first. Not a bad idea, though.

Necromancer (Reanimation Buff): It does need a buff like this.

Poisoner (Poison Buff): Sounds fine.

Medusa (Gazing Nerf): Absolutely agree. Neutral Killings shouldn't die so easily to a faction role.

Pestilence (Announcement/Attack Buff): No comment.