Thread:Orecreeper/@comment-27398195-20180723195224/@comment-34403911-20180730151855

HAWAIIANpikachu wrote: Actually I've moved a while ago and just been too lazy to change where I am

medium is sort of a meme so I don't really get what you gain from arguing that medium sucks...

Medium is the closest thing to a survivor we have.

'''Sure, medium sucks then. Then so does survivor.'''

the vet could then whisper, no point in going into a 1v1 over that.

I mean it's not like claiming vigilante as veteran isn't a bad thing for veteran as they can just post veteran will.

Yes but if the town agrees to let them shoot it out wouldn't the vet be smart and not waste a town life?

So basically you mean that if other roles are fixed (like cough cough the worst neutral killing role of all time (crusader)) you would also agree that survivor needs a change?

Yep, but survivor would be waiting for a looooooong time.

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Because the game isn't perfect yet, and taking steps like making ambusher less op and changing survivor will help us go towards that.

Ambusher isn't OP, Ambusher is garbage.

Oops sry

How much people, do you think, in a kingmaking scenario, would outvote a person who deserves the win NOT BY CHANCE?

Explain?

As in how much people would, as surv, vote for the person who should win in a kingmaking scenario over someone who doesn't on purpose

And also can confirm evils like solo gf if rbed

Most of the time it's either Jailor or invest

? what do you mean?

Pretty good for me and easy confirmation

The downside is though you are a v o t e

'''and you're sort of like a jailor when jailed in the sense that if you're a important town role you can entrust them with your role. Sort of like a mayor but with whispering.'''

I don't understand how it refutes my original point though. In that entry itself it says it's a 50 50 chance that they will guess it (probably less, since it isn't clear to all players that they would choose to bite a survivor). Also, how is that bad? I find that it's more satisfying to bite more people and convert them to your vamp cause, and getting some vamps killed as well. Money comes and goes.

Because it becomes a WIFOM if you should check if they bit the survivor or not.

Not really, as in how what the WIFOM means in this scenario is this:

'''If i'm reasoning with your logic, then they won't be bitten. So I shouldn't invest them. But then you would know that, and would bite them. Then I should see if it came true or not. '''

It seems we have reached an impasse on this point.