Talk:Vampire/@comment-94.208.62.22-20160120155448/@comment-94.208.62.22-20160120165428

Edit: Vampires are seriously the weakest role in ToS. They have to get a majority to outvote maf, nk or towns. However despite being able to "turn" others vampires are still very weak. First point being they are susceptible to neutral killing roles and mafia killing roles, since they have no night immunity. This means they can get killed at night before they've turned anyone. Secondly they have to wait a turn before being able to turn someone else, this means that whilst mafia killing roles and in the case of an sk they kill 2 persons each night. This leaves you with less vicitims to chose from and more prone to getting killed at night. Also you get less options when town members are "proven". For example if the mayor has revealed themselves and got bitten the turn afterwards the town will know that they've been bitten, because his vote only counts as 1 vote when turned. This also goes for the spy, since he won't be able to hear whispers anymore. Investigators who found someones discription to be mayor/gf whilst being mayor are forced to reveal. If that mayor is turned in the same night it will lead to an auto lynch by the town.

And boy oh boy when the town finds out they have vampires in their midst the vampires have practically zero chance to win. Even worse yet if a vampire hunter is in the game aswell. Townies will try to "prove" themselves and when proven biten them only wastes the bite on them, because they will get lynched anyway when it is found out that they can no longer perform a roleblock or jail anyone ect. Mafia's have free reign, more often than not the town is focussing to not get turned. Visiting the vampire hunter results in automatic death and if he visits you it will result in an auto death. Even if the vampires decide to help the town lynch a mafia or neutral killing role they get ignored/brushed off afterwards when it turns out they were maf/nk. So in summary the vampires have to face a 3 vs 1 situation where they have 0 protection against the mafia killing roles or the nk role and the vigilante at night. Once proven townies cannot be bitten without the risk of losing a vampire, exposing yourself and most importantly wasting a precious bite. So there have to be changes to the vampire role to increase their odds in ranked either by giving vampires night immunity or reworking the whole "biting" system.