Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31256456-20190830060531/@comment-31256456-20190902002406

Vertroyer wrote: Pokechurin wrote: So you've missed the point of the thread. It's to discuss solutions, not debate to prove a point. This isn't a competition.

We haven't even laid out all solutions to the problems that you talk about yet. Can we at least do that, then debate? No dumbass, you missed the point of the response. There are opposing points of view being suggested here, but non of them are easily objectively measured to be true or not, effective or not, etc. As a result, you need to extensively push each point of view as far as you can because there's too many vague statements without support, reasoning or evidence behind them.

Finding a solution in a discussion isn't as simple as finding one as fast as possible and calling it a day, you're looking for something with long-term effectivity to it that appeals to as many people as possible and meets a certain quality threshold in dealing with the issue at hand.

You can't discuss solutions if you don't prove points and find common ground with the people you're discussing the issues with, what are you supposed to work with then when looking for a final proposal? You might as well just spin a wheel if you want discussions to be that uninformed and horrendously subjective.

'''I'm saying that we haven't even presented any possibilities for solutions yet (either than your own). I want people to explain their possibilities for solutions and their reasoning for believing why their solution is the most effective to deal with the situation. We can debate after everyone has spoken about their viewpoint. Ghosty hasn't even explained their viewpoint on the whole situation.'''

'''​​​​​​​Also, you keep on talking about "convincing others" but you haven't really convinced many people... maybe you'd be more effective if you stopped insulting all the people you are trying to convince :P '''