Board Thread:Role Ideas (Neutral)/@comment-39990017-20190922021241/@comment-35890342-20191017230707

Be noted that this is written in the consideration of Classic gamemodes.

Here are some immediate problems I noticed:

1. This role would be physically impossible to win as in a Ranked Practice/Ranked, so the sub-alignment needs a shift.

Fix: Neutral Chaos subalignment. That's where all of the neutrals with special self goals + unique killing methods go. An alternative would be Neutral Evil, however, Neutral Evil is defined as a sub-alignment where the roles cannot directly kill. This would also lock the role into gamemodes like Custom or All Any, where the chaos happens, and that's where this role belongs, due to its special nature.

2. No claimspace for this role.

Fix: Since this role has the investigative results of a Jailor, and there is no way to claim as Jailor in a RP/Ranked game without instant death, a way to combat this is to make yourself appear as a Jailor 3 times during a game.

3. What if an Abductor jails a Jailor, and vice versa?

Fix: This is where the role essentially falls apart in terms of gameplay. Although a possible fix would be that this role can only spawn while the Jailor is not in the same game. If this change is implemented, then the above fix can either be scrapped or kept for extra chaos.

4. The win condition is a bit too specific. (Slight nitpicky, but it does make the role better)

Fix: You've stated that the role would lose all execs if they execute a neutral, which is a fine balance. However, the win condition requires a NK to win for you to win. Changing the win condition to see at least 2 neutrals to win the game would be much more balanced, and require there to be at least 2 neutrals for the role to spawn. This way, the risk of losing executions comes into effect better.

5. The basic defense.

Fix: This role does not require a perma basic defense, as it is quite powerful. At max it should have a one-time basic protection, to balance the other abilties.

Clarify:

1. Does the Jailed person get any immunites from roles visiting them? Like if a TI were to investigate them, would they still get the results? If no, what would happen if you execute a person who a BG is on?

2. Does this still work like a Jailor where you die if you don't execute a role like SK? If so, that would be counter-intuitive to the win condition.

Here are some good things I noticed:

1. You lose all executions if you execute a neutral

2. You only deal a powerful attack, and if the jailed person doesnt get any immunities, then this would be a good way to counterbalance the infinite executions.

This role definitely has some potential, although the Jailor mechanics of the role is what's going to make or break this role. Up to you to decide what to do :).