Board Thread:Role Ideas (Rework)/@comment-33167183-20180719162754/@comment-34403911-20180726004530

Jallybwan wrote: Orecreeper wrote: This role was created because there pretty much HAS to be a role like Surv in a game like ToS.

But I agree that this role is sh*t and should be removed. I disagree. Let's dance. Hey I personally think surv should be replaced but ima try to dance as well.

Here's why:

1. Kingmaking may be fun but whoever you choose to lose will pretty much hate you for the rest of your life and prolly backstab you the next time you play together which is usually the next game if you play b2b. That's based on the player, not the role, and can easily be averted by using a different name. They can see your actual name from the end screen, and I think that should be removed as well.

2.  Boring. Do I need to explain this? Fun is subjective. I have a lot of fun as Survivor. This point is invalid.''' The game is designed for the general public, not just you. Just because you think it's fun doesn't mean it won't be removed if it's boring for most people. '''

3. The lack of creativity in this role is the worst I've seen in ToS so far. By all means I challenge you to come up with a creative role that works. Harder than it looks. And Survivor is hardly the least creative role in the game. Serial Killer literally just kills. That's all it does, and yet it's my favourite role to play. Escort and Consort are carbon-copies of each other. '''"serial killer just kills" yes and ofc mayor just votes. Um do you find sk boring? '''

"Escort and consort are carbon copies" well there's going to be some similarities, and although they have are the same obviously consort is more fun bc it's a maf role and they have different strategies.

4. Fucking stop those shitty d1 survivor claims from practically everyone in the town in All Any. It's terrible and you end out with 10 people claiming survivor. In All Any I've never seen more than three people claim Survivor (two of which were actually Survivor, the other one was Jester). I myself claim Survivor with a lot of evil roles, and win quite often when I do. What's shitty about that? '''I respectfully disagree in the point that surv has become a "go-to" point for a claim instead of actually trying and making a more believable claim, accompanied with a will. Don't you find trying to catch evils, or trying to hide from the town in a game with no survs more fun than all any? I do.'''

5. It's fucking easy to win if you manage to separate yourself from the jerks who fake claim surv. And most people leave surv claims alone anyway as most claiming it are night immune roles. You just vest the few nights inbetween and you're set. It's easy to win as Town in Ranked. Therefore, Town should be removed, no?

'''​​​​​​​Actually I do agree it is way to easy to win in ranked as town, and I believe that it's the skill of the players, not the actual role list. What i think ore means here is that how for surv you don't even need to vote, or do anything, because there's literally no point in anyone asking you for a will if they already know that you're a "surv". If you die I guess the people who killed you are stupid, or you made an enemy of them. So if you don't vote or vote with the town but also making it sorta clear to the evils that you are chill, no one will kill you.'''