Thread:Jallybwan/@comment-32783587-20180109025223/@comment-32783587-20180122014307

Jallybwan wrote:

Anons unite wrote: Addfire already answered this, but I'm gonna tackle it in a bit more detail. "Seems to me God should be in Hell. He knows everything, which means he knew what the devil would become before he made him, and he knows what sins you will commit before you're born. His creations still made those choices themselves. If you make a knife, and someone buys it and kill someone else with it, should you be punished for murder? Yes, He knows we will sin. But I believe He allows it to happen so that His grace can shine - our mistakes are learning experiences. And that's why Jesus died for us, so that they wouldn't keep us away from Him.

'''But he knows everything! so he still knows what will happen to them once they are created. so he is basically sending people to hell by creating them. like for example, he knows that his creations, Adam and Eve, would eat the forbidden fruit (NO, not tide pods you idiots. my drugged goldfish died from eating tide pods and im very offended at that meme). and lets take all of the people that are in hell now. he knew that they would end up in there, so why not intervene and show his a- im sorry, show himself? the forced gift thing does not apply here, because you're literally trying to save someone from a fate worse than death. and the "mistakes are learning experinces" is probably true in most cases, but lots of these "life lessons" from god are from fictional stories, and the bible. see where im going with this?'''

So he creates a fuckton of religions that all believe if you don't pick theirs you'll burn in hell, '''God did NOT create "a f*ckton of religions". It was originally just "Following God", but humans couldn't agree how to go about doing that, so Christianity split into Catholicism vs Protestantism with a bunch of other sects. And then there are religions who claim to be Christian but aren't, like JW's. They only worship God the Father, leaving CHRIST out of CHRISTianity.'''

'''but all of those sects still go to heaven right? what about jews, do they go to heaven if they are halfway there, but not fully? also, what about all the religions that have nothing to do with jesus, like ones where you worship hundereds of deities.'''

and then punishes humanity for doing what he created them to do '''God created us in His image, but it is ALWAYS our choice when we sin. You cannot blame your parents for birthing you if you make a mistake.'''

'''once again though, he knew his creation would sin since he knows EVERYTHING. you could argue "well technically god didnt make hitler, his parents did" but lets say you created something a few years ago that has to do with hitlers birth, you would know that said hitler would be created and kill millions, right? side note- screw hitler but i dont think he deserves to be in hell. no im not racist, just no one should burn forever i dont care how bad you are. anyway so if youre creating, you should make them all christians. that is not a dictatorship, its making everyone happy as countless deaths would be saved from wars over religion. why create people of opposite religions if they are just going to end up with satan?'''

and knew they were going to do by burning them for eternity, '''Hence why Jesus died on the cross for us. We all really DESERVE to be in Hell, since that's where sinners go, but Jesus can take that sin away from us - if we let Him.'''

'''huh? i dont really understand. we all deserve to be in hell? what about people that have not sinned ever? '''

which is longer than anyone deserves to burn, especially some kid who starved to death in Africa and never saw a bible in his life. And what if a dead kid does not accept Jesus when they die just because they don't even understand what's going on?" Addfire covered this, I believe anyone who didn't know Jesus will get one last chance to accept Him as their Lord and Saviour.

'''his argument is what if its a 2 year old that doesnt even know what jesus is, or how to talk? then how do you accept something?'''

-not mine, some random guy on either.io Could you give this to him and see how he responds?

'''the thread is long dead. but there are still some active religious argument threads. just search on google "would you rather live poorly with jesus or richly with satan". another good relgious argument question is "would you rather die to find out there is no god but be religious" or "die to find out there is a god and be athiest"'''

'''also some more things. you know evolution, or the jesus savior thing, or many other common beliefs of Christianity are not in the bible. Well, that means at least .1% of the bible is not true (leaving important info out is still not good). so if .1% isnt true, then why should the other 99.9 percent. no one creates something (factual) that is somewhat true, somewhat fake. its either completely true or completely false. also noahs ark is impossible. he could not bring one of every animal on earth on a giant ship in that amount of time. some of the story seems like fairy tale to me. well, i mean, in the dreaded athiestic worldview, all of it does, simply because there is not enough evidence to believe in that, and an all knowing being watching us just seems unlikely. it was created just to make us better people by giving us lessons. which, it has failed horribly, because there are many wars of christianity, not to mention all religions.'''