Board Thread:Role Ideas (Neutral)/@comment-34969116-20180315183056/@comment-79.72.126.143-20180323174038

Shebbyking wrote: Name: Siren

Alignment: Neutral Killing

Attack: Powerful

Defense: Basic

Unique Role: Yes

Abilities: Lure someone to your house each night (You do not visit the person you lure notes below), they will use their night ability on you (if they have one) and then you will devour them (dealing a powerful attack). (Me) this way to over powered because of lookout is hard to catch the siren due to him only looking for people who might die and not people who is evil. This making this role almost unfindable to all TIs roles (see down for more info) and some games might have a lookout and a spy making this role winning alot or making mafia win becuase this role killed all town. true it can kill mafia too but mafia has a little chance of getting caught as there is only 4 mafia members

Attributes: Role block immune, sheriff immune. (Me) making sheriff useless.

Mechanics: At night you select someone to lure (for arguments sake a doctor). The doctor will be then be forced to heal you and will be killed (since the doc is forced to heal you self heal wont save them). (Me) Werewolf wont be in ranked game cause siren is nuetral killing.

-Investigative Results- Sheriff: Your target is not suspicious (Me) i would like to add this note that is just a overpowered serial killer becuase atleast with the serail killer he can be caught easily

Investigator: Escort/Transporter/Consort/Siren (Me) this is the only chance of siren of being lynched becuase he can't role block or transport people but the chances of the two TI of being invest is kinda low and maybe a rt might help but still this is really op for this role.

Consigliere/Witch: Your target is a beautiful woman with the teeth of a monster, they must be a Siren. (Me) This is overpowered for withc becuase the witch will only use her all game and consig will prob just out the siren and claim consig (or claim invest) due to siren being so overpowered.

Goal: Kill everyone who would oppose you.

Wins With: Survivor, witch, pirate, guardian angel (Me) nothing new to be honest but add jester and exe

Must Kill: Everyone else

Notes: It may seem like this character counters vet, werewolf and lookout but it doesn't: If a siren lures a vet with alerts they will be shot (the vet will die as well), if they lure a werewolf on a full moon they will be killed (the werewolf will die as well) and though the lookout can't see the siren visit, they can watch the siren and see someone visit them and die. (me) Werewolf can't be in the game because if this is ranked thus making ranked or practice terrible for town. there is only one NK and lookouts won't watch a evil person. Vet is found really fast because they all ways vet bait.

By making the lured player use their ability on the Siren it will mean they will have less info for medium and it makes roles like the veteran and werewolf dangerous to them. (Me) are you really trying to make medium want to kill themself more? they are already for evils to claim already and no one likes medium.

The siren will automatically lose to a veteran if the veteran has an alert left. With roles such as Transporter and Witch the siren will simply stop them using their role (as two targets are required) (Me) already vet can't visit and still overpowered as he can kill almost classes in the game and can't die unless jailor or werewolf if the game is any.

The siren can lure anyone (even those such as survivors that can't usually visit anyone) (Me)

If a role has a night ability that can only be used on themselves (such as the survivor) they will use the ability (thus why the vet kills) (Me) what if there is no vet?

The siren will devour the jailor if jailed. (Me) like i said this is just a overpowered serial killer

My thoughts on this:

This is a terrible idea for ToS because of the following reasons

1) this is a overpowered serial killer

2) This role can't be found at all by most TI roles except from lookout and invest

3) It can't be murdered by anyone in Non-dlc Town of salem except jailor and vet so this class is op (I'm talking about ranked and ranked pratice) and if this is in any yes i can die to werewolf but i think if it is really easy to destroy one gamemode it should not be added.

Suggestions: nerf it to fuck. Change the invest (as in change her into framer vimpire jester or siren)or sheriff to find her and remove her defense and only give her basic attack. let lookouts see who siren visited instead of the other way around as lookouts be more fustrated due to looking for siren and mafia at the same time.

I think one of the main reasons why serial killer was so easy to catch was because of that mafia and serial killer all of the town too quickly. If he is not easy to catch the serial will win so often that they will need to nerf it. So if this class is so easy to not get catched they will win all the time.

Final thoughts

Don't add this class. It's overpowered serial killer and has too much same features as serial killer and unkillable in most cases