Board Thread:Role Ideas (Neutral)/@comment-30255850-20171015211902/@comment-27804907-20171021200516

Firstly, I am calm. You may read my tone as anything but that, as I've learned recently, but as I say to everyone who points it out: arguing is something I take pride in. I love being able to share my opinion, and explain to others why I disagree with them. Sometimes I'm correct, sometimes I'm not, all I care about is having one side be deemed right - if there is a right side, of course.

I am fully aware that you could very well have much more thourough reviews under your belt, but I believe you should try to treat all roles the same and give them that same effort. Even if you don't have a lot to say about something, a few lines explaining the point you're trying to make helps. The roles you believe are absolutely horrible and should be trashed completely deserve the same patience and effort in reviewing as any role you think has the most potential out of anything you've seen here, your opinion doesn't change the value of the role.

The forums isn't quite "straight to BMG". It's rare they do respond to any idea, and it's usually in my experience not in role ideas. So it's just another place to get opinions - though if you do feel confident in your idea, you should take it to the Testing Grounds section there. They do just as the name suggests, they test out ideas and all that jazz. If you can make it there, then your idea wont just be buried, they'll at the very least have some records of it. While they don't now, I believe the only way the Devs can keep this game afloat with competitors like Throne of Lies is if they step it up and listen to their community, and TG would be the best starting place for that. Even if you do go to TG, though, it's not as if BMG keeps up with it to my knowledge. So going straight there doesn't mean much more than staying here. So that means posting here or on the forums, they're both equals in terms of what kind of reviewing you should be getting. Fellow posters who have something they want to say about your idea. Remember, it's all optional, as is you responding to a role idea. So if you cannot give the effort to properly review, then you should not review.

Even if it is meaner, more detail is better. That's the point I'm trying to make. If all you're going to post is a screenshot saying "Hey, don't make this role", without saying why, don't bother. There's a thread like that on the forums - "Role ideas not to make", and those are just guidelines. These should be treated the same way. Most ideas can still be used in a unique way to better the game, they might not, but you can still use that as a learning and teaching experience. If you absolutely must use the thread as a reason for why the role is bad, then explain it while showing the thread. It's just some random thread on the wiki, it means nothing on it's own. They can circumvent it just by not posting here, which may very well happen if you use it as if it's absolute and that nobody may argue with it. So if you do show it, then say why it says what it does. And if you don't know, then don't show it.

I don't believe you're not trying to help, but it's not helping as much as you could be if you don't take more time to explain it. A good paragraph for one role is far better than a single sentence on seven different roles.

I have no problems with inexperienced reviewers themselves, they can learn from the experienced ones just as the creators do. My problem is inexperienced reviewers are the absolute last people who should be denying a role idea. At least if a veteran who has been around for a while does it, they know what they're talking about, even if it might - and in my opinion, would - come off as if they think their opinion is absolute when it's not. Oh, and crushing dreams is a bit far - I don't think I said it, but I'm crazy so I might've - you shouldn't put so much investment into these things. It's more like crushing their interest in the wiki, if people are just going to shout one word as if it means more than any other word they could have said in it's place.

Again, I may be a bit harsh or blunt, but that's just how I am. It's nothing against anyone here, and I'm not trying to harm anyone. However, I see no reason to try and be polite here, it's simply a discussion between two random people on the internet. We're equals here, no reason to be polite or rude to the other. If I have offended you, please say so, so that I may avoid doing it again in the future, but my tone is as it is.

I suppose this isn't directed fully at you, but the problems I list here - not giving each role the same amount of effort, acting as if your opinion means anything more to the creator than it really does, things like that - are problems on the forums, and I want to ensure they're not a problem here as well. The people I can think of off the top of my mind who don't take reviewing roles seriously, I have reached out to before. They don't listen. But if I can find people here who will listen and want to better their community as a whole by doing so, then I'll tell them what I can.