Board Thread:Role Ideas (Rework)/@comment-204.43.204.182-20170514215021/@comment-27575896-20170515144943

204.43.204.182 wrote: Sheriff and Framer are the two most sad roles to be. Sheriffs only help if the NK is SK,

Oh, I forgot Werewolves existed.

and can only find the less important members of the Mafia.

AKA, every single Mafia member minus the Godfather.

Then the Godfather kills them. Similarly, the Framer is in a random guess mode, guessing who the TI's will investigate, and then out-living their use once they're dead. Either way, neither gets to contribute to their faction very much, especially in late game.

Framer may sometimes be useless, but it doesn't change the fact that they contribute to the Mafia majority and still can become a Mafioso.

Until now!

Sheriff Rework:

Only one change- if someone is the same role as someone you prior-investigated, you'll get the message following message along with whether they were suspicious:

[Giles Corey] seemed very similar to [John Proctor]

This is mildly useful, while not game-breaking. Two vigilante claims? Investigate both. If they don't seem similar, one is probably lying. [You still get the message regarding suspicion, so not necessary for Mafiosos.]

'''Say Giles corey is a Vigilante, and John is a Mafioso. Welp, Sheriff can't even tell the difference between both right there. That nerfs it worse than the original.'''

Possible additional change: Someone can also be very similar to someone in the graveyard. Medium died and someone else claiming Medium? Investigate them to see if they're the same role.

Framer Rework:

Goes hand-in-hand with the Sheriff rework, but has several changes:

3 framings, and they're permanent

'''Similar to Forger and Janitor. Also, doesn't help at all. That's a nerf.'''

Secondary target when framing

Extrememly minor buff that doesn't have any affect on gameplay.

Framings last after death

'''Arsonist copy, and nerfs the Arsonist. Framer already has higher priority than Arsonist, so doing this makes the Arsonist's ability to permanetly change invest results hogwash.'''

How will this work? Framer selects someone to frame, and as their secondary target, must select another person. Then, their first target forever gains the investigative and suspicion results as the second target. Even when they die, that person will appear as the second target's role. Reworked sheriffs will even see these people as being similar.

Example:

[Fred the Framer] frames [Donnie the Doctor] as being [Connie the Consigliere].

[Sharron the Sheriff] and [Indie the Investigator] look at [Donnie the Doctor].

[Sharron the Sheriff] sees [Donnie the Doctor] as Mafia, and similar to [Connie the Consigliere].

[Indie the Investigator] sees [Donnie the Doctor] as Inves/Consig/Mayor.

'''So you move results around. Disguiser rehash, much?'''

Confused, the town asks [Donnie the Doctor] for his role, and he obviously claims [Doctor].

The Sheriff and the Investigator don't believe him, and he ends up lynched.

[Donnie the Doctor] has his role read as [Consigliere].

HUGE DISGUISER REHASH.

The town continues, none the wiser.

Possible additional change: Framer becomes a unique role

These changes help the Sheriff draw parallels, especially regarding vampires. Sheriff also can now see past potential framings: you investigate and lynch someone who came as GF, but someone else is "very similar" to them? One of them must have been framed.

Framer update makes it so that it doesn't even rely on TI's to be in game, and they now possess greater strategy and stability as they don't randomly guess who will be investigated. This also boosts the Forger, because if Mafia frames someone as Escort, then forges their will, they can now control everything about that character. In order to frame a townie as another, a consigliere will likely be required however.

Any thoughts? Changes? I think the Framer especially needs a change, and a Sheriff buff simultaneously would work very well in conjunction. '''Diguiser rehashes, nerfs Sheriff even more, nerfs Investigator even more, nerfs the Arsonist, nerfs the framer, just a whole bunch of nerf. And rehash.'''

Rejected.