Talk:Framer/@comment-5203179-20170423102404/@comment-27398195-20170507220940

Point one can be solved by making the whole framing process ineffective if the target is voted/decided to be killed, pretty much like a forger and janitor going on the same guy.

​But basically if they don't die, the frame doesn't work either way.

On any other instance, framing will work as it always did, even if the target isn't killed, other TIs may still take the bait and call out the framed one should they spot it, which will also make mafia find out the TI if they expose themselves, as usual.

​But most people don't call out instantly and double check or check others.

I don't really know why should this Framer guess the target of a NK.

​So you would get the full ability of your role?

The framed status would still reset every night so it would be pointless to guess who will an arso visit, he also wouldn't want to make too many people die framed or his cover would blow especially if the Framer is a "confirmed" town, and he won't abuse the fake TI claim to get as many people as possible since it'll turn against him on the long run.

​But once you claim a second role after you already claimed a first, people will call you out on it.

Wills are usually faked by evil roles;

​If I see an escort will, but the person died as a consigilere, (it's an example), I'ma be pretty sure that there's a framer or a disguiser.

true, townies could decide to confirm the veracity of the will's words, so it'll be only truly effective on earlier days when town has less information to work on making the Framer a more active role early to secure some safety into late game, making his role as middleman easier.

'''​Once again, see above. If will and role don't match up, it's pretty obvious that there is a framer or disguiser.'''

He could also combo with a forger should there be one,

'''​So pray for the any to be forger. >_>'''

that way they could go together against higher priority roles, or with a consigliere to make use of lower priority roles with useless wills as bait,

​Same as above, but replace forger with Consig.

RNG permitting.

​RNG is not allowed, as that breaks a role making rule

​Role still rejected, ability is still UP and RNG based, and depends on other roles to be a real "good" role.

​Click on link below to see how to make a new role idea(or change an existing one) while avoiding some of the bad ideas to add in it.

​http://town-of-salem.wikia.com/wiki/Making_New_Roles