Board Thread:Role Ideas (Town)/@comment-34703140-20190402050728/@comment-38965982-20190402221623

I know roles like Mayor and Retri are a little op in the sense that they can 100% confirm themselves.

My definition of "self-confirming" are roles that can 100% confirm themselves (unless there's a smart Janitor/Coven Leader that takes over the role they kill and clean/stone, and the Town isn't sus of them) through their ability: like the Salesman, like the role we are discussing on this page. That's why I didn't just include roles like Mayor and Retributionist, who can confirm themselves in a click of a button (literally): the Salesman has to wait (or at least should have to) until a TK uses their ability to confirm themselves by giving it to them.

If you notice all the roles above I mentioned, they are all roles that can confirm themselves through successfully carrying out their ability to have an effect on the town. That cannot be faked. When the poisoner was "Killed by a Crusader," or the Framer was "Shot by a Vigilante," or the Medusa with the Necronomicon was "Killed by a Trapper," that can't be faked. Those people are confirmed (unless Janitor/CL, but you should rule out that possibility if no one was cleaned/stoned last night). That's why I didn't include Doctor on there (which you used an example to counter me).

I don't have "beef" with you. I'm not going at your throat. I'm trying to express my opinion, but you're taking it the wrong way and misunderstanding me.

Also, any smart Jailor reveals day 1. They exploit the Town Protective in the game to reveal safely. There's also over a 50% chance each game there's a LO, so it doesn't stop with their death. I've seen it many times in-game. Most people have.