Thread:Thatsmuggamer/@comment-31680260-20180411084950/@comment-31680260-20180414073542

Hex Master in relation to the Mafia is a better Framer, COMBINED with an Arsonist. All your Framer does is make someone look bad for one night. HM makes them look bad for the rest of the game, PLUS an added auto-win for Coven if they pull off all hexes.

The Medusa is a Veteran that exchanges defense for the ABILITY OF YOUR JANITOR. That's not "s**t in every way" and you know it. Then it becomes a Mafioso + Janitor COMBO by itself. (Doesn't get rampage, but I don't see your GF killing everyone in sight. At least Medusa can kill someone with defense.)

CL is Witch until it gets the Necronomicon, at which point it becomes an SK with Witch abilities added in. Still better than your Mafia roles. ALSO, it can act as a Consigliere, which you claim is the best role in the Mafia.

Poisoner does need a buff, I agree. But it does serve in distracting the Doctor, which lets the Coven get on with their killing uninterrupted. None of your roles can distract a TP other than the Consort, and she needs to know exactly who the TP is anyway (at which point you'd just kill them).

I won't dispute that the invest results aren't the best, but:


 * Your GF is basically forced into claiming BG if no townies have been killed by Crusader. BG is a VERY well-known GF claim.


 * Mafioso either claims Vigilante (another useless claim if someone asks you to prove it) or Veteran (a unique role that can be easily counter-claimed, or even just straight-up disproven when someone asks you to alert).


 * Janitor has to claim MEDIUM of all roles, and you already know Medium claims are never trusted. Real Mediums can easily disprove them. The only other claim is Retri, and I shouldn't have to explain why it's a bad claim.
 * Ambusher's phucked no matter what it tries to claim because of the name-revealing thing.
 * A Consort is forced to claim Escort (since Transporter requires people to come forward and say they were transed), and any half-decent Spy can disprove them by looking at visits.
 * Blackmailers have to claim Spy, since the other options are Jailor (phuck no) and GA (need to prove yourself by protecting someone).
 * Disguiser basically doesn't have a result, and it doesn't even know what its new result is. So if it's questioned, there's no way it can make a claim that pleases the Investigator.
 * Forger has to claim Lookout, and people know whether or not they visited someone on the night specified. Even if they don't go with visiting, a will full of "no visitors" is suspicious as heck.
 * Don't have to explain Framer.
 * Hypnotist can potentially claim Transporter, except for one thing. It can only make one person think they were transported per night. So it's still a bad claim. Also, most roles will know whether or not they were actually role-blocked (if you try and claim Escort) just by the information a lot of them receive from doing their abilities. TI's are all out, for example, so if you try and claim you roleblocked one of them you're instantly dead.