Board Thread:Role Ideas (Neutral)/@comment-32329805-20190706194424/@comment-32329805-20190707183122

EmikiIchimaru wrote: Hi Wolfizee, i would like to begin by saying that this post is extremely long so i will not be quoting your message. In short, im seeing great potential for this role and am excited to help out. So here we go:

I made a few assumptions about the Apprentice, but can you confirm whether these facts are true:

1. Does Apprentice 'learn' Immunities? Eg. learning Escort grants rb immunity? Yes 2. Does Apprentice 'learn' Defenses? Eg. learning SK grants basic defense? No 3. Does Apprentice 'learn' Attributes? Eg. learning Medium allows you to talk to the dead? For the most part, no. They will be able to learn attributes from roles that don't have any abilities (such as Med & Psy), though. 4. Does learning a role affect your invest results? No 5. Will the Apprentice's target know the name of the Apprentice, or just the role? Just the role

Apprentice full role interactions (just so that you can clarify any interactions): doubts are represented by question marks

disclaimer: i have never played coven expansion

Bodyguard - learnable, but cannot self vest Doctor - learnable, but cannot self heal Escort - learnable, has rb immune? Yes Investigator - learnable Jailor - cant learn Lookout - learnable Mayor - cant learn Medium - learnable, seance? talk to dead? Talk to dead, but not Seance Retributionist - cant learn Sheriff - learnable Spy - learnable Transporter - learnable Vampire Hunter - learnable, converts to vig? if yes, does he have 1 bullet? Does not convert to Vigi Veteran - cant learn Vigilante - learnable, gains 1 bullet Crusader - learnable Tracker - learnable Trapper - ? will he just build his trap and be unable to place it? I'd say they'd be able to just place the trap. Psychic - learnable

Blackmailer - learnable, can hear whispers? No Consigliere - learnable Consort - learnable, has rb immune? Yes Disguiser - learnable Forger - learnable Framer - learnable Godfather - cant learn Janitor - learnable Mafioso - cant learn Hypnotist - learnable Ambusher - learnable

Amnesiac - cant learn Arsonist - learnable, cant ignite Yes Executioner - learnable, will you know his target upon using your ability? I'd say yes Guardian Angel - cant learn Jester - cant learn Juggernaut - cant learn Pirate - cant learn Plaguebearer - ? wasnt specified but this should be 'cant learn' since pb/pest is unique What i was thinking is that they'd be able to infect a person, but they wouldn't be able to Transform into Pest, so basically they'd only be able to help the PB out, and therefore not break the game by there being 2 s. Serial Killer - learnable, gains basic defense? No Survivor - learnable, gains one vest Vampire - apprentice converts into vamp Werewolf - learnable, do you transform on full moon? Yes, but only for 1 full moon. Witch - learnable

Coven Leader - learnable Potion Master - learnable, are all 3 potions 'primary' abilities? Yes Hex Master - learnable, Necromancer - learnable Poisoner - learnable Medusa - learnable

Flummery: - will your role card reflect your win conditions? I'd say yes. - if an Amnesiac remembers you do they automatically gain your goal or do they have to visit a new target or gain their goal? ​​​​​​​They have to get a new target. - LO/Forger/Witch is a suitable result but have you considered Framer/Vamp/Jest result as it can be fitting for a role who 'may not be what they seem'. '''Perhaps, but i see the result as a "dump result" for roles who should seem obviously evil when investigated. The Apprentice isn't necessarily evil, so i'd say not. And in coven, LO/Forger/Witch only has 3 roles, while all the other roles have 4 or 5, so it'd work well to balance the result out.'''

- can the Necronomicon pass to you? (never played coven, might be a stupid question) No - i offered my help with sample messages down below, so...

Sample messages:

Displays two messages to both players.

Apprentice notifications:

("Your target informed you of their goals." - Apprentice's notification, first visit.

or

"Your target did not inform you of their goal." Probably not since at that point they'd be using their 1 use of an ability. - Apprentice's  notification, second visit onwards.)

and

("Your target has accepted your apprenticeship! You have Learned from them!" - Apprentice's  notification when targetting a learnable role.

or

"Your target has rejected your apprenticeship!" Well, they still gain the goal of having the first person they visit win, but i think that it'd work anyways. - Apprentice's notification when targetting an unlearnable role.)

Apprentice's target notifications:

("You were visited by an Apprentice. You informed (name of apprentice) of your goals." - Apprentice's target's notification, first visit. (shows name)

or

"You were visited by an Apprentice. You informed him/her of your goals." - Apprentice's target's notification, first visit. (does not show name) Ye

or

"You were visited by an Apprentice, but you did not inform him/her of your goals." - Apprentice's target's notification, second visit onwards.) Probably not, since they'd be using the ability they'd learn from the previous visit, unless they targeted a role that can't be learned. As such, i think that they probably wouldn't be notified of the visit.

and

("You were visited by an Apprentice. He/she has Learned from you!" - Apprentice's target's notification when targetting a learnable role. Ye seems good.

or

"You were visited by an Apprentice, but you rejected his/her apprenticeship!" - Apprentice's target's notification when targetting an unlearnable role.)

Closing thoughts: 8/10 role idea, only reason i didnt give higher was because im a humble 1.1k player so if there were balance issues for higher ranks i will definitely be unable to see them. cheers  Coven Ranked is a dead gamemode anyways, which certainly means that i can create "literally a buffed Pestilence" that starts off as pest rather than having to infect everyone