Thread:Orecreeper/@comment-27398195-20180723195224/@comment-34403911-20180727222755

HAWAIIANpikachu wrote: We don't need kingmakers. One way to fix this is to just to not count Survivor at the end and just go to stalemate conditions. If there is a Survivor, Arsonist, and SK, make it so the Arso auto wins.

Usually (most) players let the arsonist win, and the only time that doesn't happen is if the SK plays better than the arsonist. There's no reason to make the stalemate trigger, in fact this gives players the chance to reward a player who did well. '''Hey many survs are douches and like trolling. Just like what you said in the beginning; If you were that good an SK you wouldn't have been in this kind of a scenario anyways.'''

You shouldn't have to make the role interesting for yourself by doing something harder, as the roles should be able to do that for you.

Then at this point you might as well remove any role that's not killing or investigative.

'''Ummmm how is this related? don't other roles also help complete the final objectives as well? They all help towards the objective. And some of these are fun as well. It's not like you go out of your way to make the game harder as a TS?'''

Thats beside the point.

No it's not, if the town's focusing more on killing survivors than vampires then it means that vampires are going to win easily, in that case it's time to move to ranked. '''No you literally took his first point out of comparison. You were like (point X) if not (there is vampires). ​​​​​​​Ore said (there is vampires). The contrapostive of your first sentence (if there is vampires) then not (point X) is logically equivalent to your point. As he has proved (there is vampires) usually, your point does not stand.'''