Board Thread:Debate of The Week/@comment-28112409-20180228113931/@comment-26234016-20180308141405

Jallybwan wrote: Nixonix wrote: I'm gonna say Ambusher sucks more. Then your fate is sealed.First of all,

1. Ambusher is instantly revealed to any evil role which happens to visit their target. If they get lynched, the ambusher will be moreso revealed. '''To any evil role? First off, if you're entering a debate then you need all the facts - Ambusher is revealed to everyone. Crusader still sucks more, though, because at least Ambusher doesn't kill its own faction members.'''

You're arguing on semantics. Any non-mafia role is 'evil' to the mafia. You're entering a debate picking on things that don't matter.

2. Ambusher is only useful to remove TPs and TIs. Sure, it can remove a Vampire or Pirate, but who else can it kill? Oh yeah, Transporter. '''Crusader is only useful for removing any evil role that doesn't have defense - and there are quite a few. Once again, though, even if you DO protect someone an evil role visits, there's a good chance you'll just attack a random Townie instead.'''

You say a 'good chance' but there isn't actually any statistics that I've seen from you. So... get statistics, until then you have an invalid point.

3. Mediums can seance a confirmed Townie or the Mayor, revealing you to the Town, from the person who got ambushed. '''That's still only one Mafia down. That may be 25% of the Mafia, but at least Mafia know who they are - Crusader just kills randomly, not even knowing if it's attacking a teammate.'''

Maybe– Just maybe– that's the entire point of the mafia and town? So far, you haven't made the crusader any worse than a randoming vigilante– annoying and trash, sure, but it won't make you a quarter less likely to win.

4. Ambusher was ONCE immune to role blocks. Why did BMG harshly nerf it to its current state? Now it is not immune and it just sucks to play. '''Crusader ONCE didn't exist. Why did BMG harshly nerf Town by making it a thing?'''

That also isn't an argument. That's just pure sass. Reel it back in.

5. The Ambusher usually gets 1 or 2 kills in a game before being promoted to a Mafioso, or he will never get a kill nor be promoted to Mafioso. In other words, it is useless. '''Crusader usually kills 1 or 2 Townies before it dies, and it's never promoted to anything at all. In other words, it's worse than useless.'''

Again, you say 'usually'. But let's point out that because it is random, there is absolutely no guarantee who the Crusader kills. It could just as easily be an evil role, which, wait for it, helps the town. Use statistics.

6. Crustaiders kill Ambushers, so will Ambusher kill Crusader, if they go on the same target. Easy loss of 25% of the mafia. '''Actually, the Ambusher has higher priority than the Crusader does. 1 vs 3. The Ambusher would kill the Crusader first. And even if that didn't affect who kills whom, Amby and Crus would have an equal chance of hitting each other. So at BEST, this point is pointless, and at worst, it hurts your argument.''' It was an irrelevant point.

Sorry Jally, but this is purely my opinion. It will not change till they change the Ambusher. '''You aren't sorry. But you will be, when you realize you chose the wrong side in this argument, my friend.''' Maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't make so bold a claim until you actually won.