Board Thread:Debate of The Week/@comment-28112409-20171101070508/@comment-32881402-20171101191402

Addfire wrote: ProfessorArceus wrote: RubikJohn wrote: TEAM NO.The Mafioso change isn't too bad, but it would be difficult to implement it lore-wise and also doesn't make a ton of sense '''Please never say that again. Never balance off of lore. Argument is null.''' ''' That wasn't Rubik's argument, that was Rubik's thesis. But... okay. '''

. It would indeed buff the mafia, but if it was to be added, it would best be a one off change to buff one role and it would have to be tweaked. '''I'm not getting what you're saying here. Which role needs to be tweaked or buffed? What?'''

''' Mafioso. Which role are we talking about? '''


 * It was unclear. One-off change to buff one role? If you had a decent alternative and a 'why' to that, it'd be an argument. I could just say 'Let's balance the game instead of add '. I don't have a way to do so. Find a way to buff Mafioso better and this becomes a valid point.

The Godfather change is even worse. Besides being confusing and presumably difficult to grasp by newer players Don't balance off of new players., it could also make the mafia too powerful if a more experienced player receives it How?. Since a main point of the game is communication, the rest of the mafia should give each other information during the night chat anyway, so what's the point '''Exactly - it's not a huge buff. It just gives the GF all the info and he can make better decisions during Day phase. It's not a huge buff.'''?

The point is that the Mafia should be communicating, not having the GF be the focal point.


 * Mafia still communicate. See, everything revolving around GF doesn't make Mafia not communicate. GF can see all of this and it makes everything a little more convenient. GF is the safety net - it is undetectable, has basic defense and guarantees an attack.

The factional kill would be a direct copy of Vampires '''What? Vampires can't choose to kill and they can't choose who kills., and even if sometimes the GF can be stupid and literally kill the Mafioso or lose the game with one dumb attack How, exactly, does it kill the Mafioso? How does it lose the game with one dumb attack?, it's for the better because it's unique and makes more sense Is this supporting the idea?'''.

Creating an alignment for these two roles would also leave ambusher as the only in his alignment '''This idea was developed before Coven. Let's avoid these points and discuss the actual balance - this is insignificant, really.'''

''' This isn't insignificant, really. Coven is important, and it wasn't specified in the beginning of the thread that Coven was off-limits. And since we're including Coven roles, we're discussing the actual balance. '''


 * Sure, I'll discuss Coven, then. I think Ambusher would be moved to Mafia Tactical along with Mafioso and Godfather. Ideally, it should be removed, as it isn't a great role, but if it were to be in the game, I think it'd move to that alignment.

, which makes no sense and there's no reason for that to be. I guess your opinions are quite weak (nothing very decisive), so your arguments can't be that strong. I guess you just dismiss everything you disagree with instead of coming up with arguments for why they're wrong, so they can't be that bad.

I guess I just misunderstood because their verdict in the separate paragraphs was unclear to me.