Board Thread:Role Ideas (Town)/@comment-36709870-20181013011506/@comment-36709870-20181013191152

Orecreeper wrote: Aamora wrote: Orecreeper wrote: So this brings up some problems, and some questions:

1. Can't the Mafia just do a test where they get each member to whisper something random to the other 3 mafia members, and it would be obvious who the Agent is.

2. Old spy got removed for a reason. We don't need the "seeing mafia chat" thing back.

3. What do you mean by "Mafia Support or Disguiser". Will it be MS or Disg? If its MS, what role will it be?

4. What happens if there is both a Mafia and a Coven in game?

5. If you are a Coven, what will you be shown as instead?

6. What happens if you become a Mafioso? Do you kill for Town, like a stronger vigilante? Does Town automatically win if all other evils are dead?

7. If you cant be selected to be killed by the Mafia, that would be OP since it means you are invincible. In other words, it would always be a draw or loss for the Mafia, and Mafia's winrate is already low. We need a Mafia BUFF not a NERF.

8. Please don't tell me this is going to turn into "Mastermind V2". -_-

Answers.

1, they dont know if an agent is in the game, and any delay can cause a mafiaso to think a real mafia is an agent

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'''2 Its not seeing mafia chat. youre being a part of the mafia where you are able to talk to them similar to this persons concept '''

But it creates the same problems as old spy, where the Mafia are too afraid to talk in the chat.

​​​​​​​They will not be, The anonimity of the mafia makes the mafia able to talk as much as they want, and if they want to call a role, they can always code their Speech

3 the agent will be randomly picked by the game in which the Agent will show as a Mafia Support or a disguiser to the mafia

Mafia support is not a role.

Check mafia, it will choose a character of that alignment

4 There will not commonly be a coven and maf in any normal or standard game, but if both exists, the faction with more players will be the faction agent will be in

See (6) also what if both factions have the same number?

It is Uncommon for that to occur, if that happens mafia will be prioritized 

5 You will be shown as Hex master

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6 Its simple, he cant become a mafioso, when he becomes a "mafioso" the mafia would be dead, thus he cant be 'mafioso'

So if there is 4 mafia like in Ranked, what happens if there is an agent? Will there appear to be 5 mafia? (That would be sus), or will it just remove one mafia member? (More unnecessary mafia nerfing)?

'''It will do the first. The reason for the agent is to create panic and the fist will help that. and not to be unbalenced'''

'''7 I can see your point and ill change that. BUT the agent is more of a high risk high reward character where he will easily die due to the town. ill add some mechanics to correlate with that.'''

Alrighty. I would suggest making the Sheriff see the agent as mafia.

8 Nope, they have very different mechanics, dont worry

k Another one:

Can this role see who the Mafia visit? Like will it see "A member of the Mafia has chosen to visit X tonight"? Also can it see their roles/abilities?

'''It can see the first but not the latter, the ability similar to a consig is too strong for a role like this. But allowing him to be able to knwo what exists in the mafia is great.'''