Board Thread:Role Ideas (Mafia)/@comment-33303864-20171018034514/@comment-30105631-20171018191407

Kozani wrote: Name : Engineer (I changed the name because I felt it fit better)

Alignment : Mafia Deception

Game Background : You are a proficient roboticist who can amalgamate the fallen bodies of others with his complex mechanisms to take over and control their corpses.

Attack : None

Defense : None

Unique Role : Yes (If two engineers targeted the same person I thought that they would both be able to speak for them, but that would give too much food to the trolls)

Also unique because it's powerful?

Priority : 3

Abilities :

-You are able to "assimilate" someone each night

So, what exactly does assimilation do?

Attributes :

-You may only assimilate someone three times

-The person you assimilate must be dead during the assimilation (similar to how the janitor or forger require their target to be dead to activate their ability on them)

'''Not really. Janitor and Forger can target living people, but their ability will have no effect. They can't target people who have died.'''

-If the person targeted by the engineer is not dead during the night they are targeted, the engineer will waste one of their abilities (again, like the janitor and forger)

Oh ok.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">-The engineer cannot target somebody that has been revealed to the town as dead (meaning that if the engineer assimilates someone and that someone is not lynched, if they assimilate them again the night after they will still be able to control them the next day-unless that someone is attacked)

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Wait what.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">-The enginner cannot see or change the will or role of their target, but if they exploit the rule above and keep their target seemingly alive for 3 days then the forger or consigilere (or other mafia roles) can target them any of those days

<p style="font-weight:normal;">-If a janitor or forger targeted the same person as the engineer, then once the assimilated person dies they will still be cleaned or forged

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Mechanics :

<p style="font-weight:normal;">-If the engineer targets a dying person (which they have to do), that person still dies but they will still seem alive to everyone else

Um.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">-The engineer can speak for both themselves and their target, the target cannot speak because they are dead

<p style="font-weight:normal;">k.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">-the enginners target is dead, they can still speak in the dead chat and speak to the medium (although i dont see how that matters unless the engineer uses the same body several days in a row)

'''how long does the assimiliated guy stay assimilated? '''

<p style="font-weight:normal;">-The engineer is unable to vote for the person they assimilated

<p style="font-weight:normal;">well k

<p style="font-weight:normal;">-The engineer cannot do anything with their target besides speak for them (they cant make them vote, they cant make them use their abilities, they cant do anything with them but make them talk)

<p style="font-weight:normal;">'''then why is the engineer even useful? Does the engineer even get to know their ability?'''

<p style="font-weight:normal;">-If the person they assimilated leaves the game, the engineer will no longer be able to use them to talk

<p style="font-weight:normal;">ok

<p style="font-weight:normal;">-Once the engineer stops assimilating a body, they will appear dead the next day

<p style="font-weight:normal;">-If an engineer decides to assimilate a body two or three times in a row and a role attacks the assimilated person, the assimilated person will appear dead the next day and the engineer will have wasted an ability

poor engi ;(

<p style="font-weight:normal;">-Mafia killers cannot target someone who is assimilated, but neutral killing roles and town killing roles can attack the assimilated

<p style="font-weight:normal;">ok

<p style="font-weight:normal;">-If someone reports someone who is assimilated, then the engineer who assimilated them will be reported instead, although the person filing the report will not be told they are reporting the engineer. (if someone reports an assimilated player for gamethrowing then their report will be disregaurded unless that person is a member of the mafia, or a neutral player)

Uh, you ended up highlighting the big problem with this role, is that similar to pre-rework disguiser this messes with the trail system, and honestly that's the biggest downfall of this role.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">-The engineer is unable to vote for the target they assimilated

<p style="font-weight:normal;">-Once somebody who was assimilated dies, at the end of their death explanation will be the text "this person was inhabited by a machine!"

<p style="font-weight:normal;">'''Why? This removes all functionality of the Engineer.'''

<p style="font-weight:normal;">-Investigation Results-

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Sheriff : Your target is a member of the mafia!

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Investigator : Your target spends a peculiar amount of time around the dead, they must be a medium, janitor, retributionist, trapper, or engineer

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Consigliere / Witch : Your target amalgamates their contraptions into dead bodies, they must be an engineer!

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Goal : Kill everyone who does not submit to the mafia

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Wins With : Mafia, Survivor, Pirate, Guardian Angel, or Witch

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Must Kill : Town, Vampires, Coven, Pestilence, Arsonist, Serial Killer, WereWolf, or Juggernaut

Overall, this role is pretty much useless. All it's functionality is gone thanks to the many ways of it losing it's target, and the fact that it doesn't know how to manipulate the other members of the town with it's target.

Also, it messes with the trial system.

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