Board Thread:Debate of The Week/@comment-28112409-20171101070508/@comment-31680260-20171102025430

Lazuli-Heart wrote: Jallybwan wrote: Lazuli-Heart wrote: No tactical mafia.The Mafioso Overhawl- Making it a mafia amnesiac??? You know who does this, real amesiacs! (Real Amnesiacs are likely to join other factions.)  '''In my experiance they tend to join whichever team they can. I've found a lot of Amnes pick something fun like Consig unless about to be lynched. (Mafia is one team out of 3 different factions, and that's not counting all the individual alliances in the Neutral faction. If that Amne's claimed in that game, there's no chance it will join anything but Town.) '''

We don't need a false amne. It would make Mafioso play boring, as it's just a limited Amne. As Jally keeps saying, the game is for fun. This would make the games less fun. We don't need an imposter if we already have an Amne. (False. The Mafioso does the same thing it always does, except with the added Amne boost. That seems more interesting than literally JUST doing what the GF says.) 

'''Unless I misread, I thought that the Mafioso didn't do the killing, as the team votes on who the killer is. Also, the Mafioso can kill who they want if the GF is roleblocked. I'm pretty sure that it just becomes a nerfed Amnesiac.'''

 (As I said before, it would be a "tactical" decision to make the Mafioso or the GF do the killing, since it doesn't do anything else. It's not a nerfed Amnesiac, since Amne can't kill at all.) 

The Godfather's Notifications- Ok, I'll admit that automatic info from the Consig would be nice, however, getting the notifications on being killed or roleblocked would be so confusing. You'd get a message "You were attacked by a werewolf!", and get confused when you turned up alive the next day. Or, you'd get the notification "You were roleblocked!" and then the Mafia would have still killed. Until you got a handle on the notifications, it'd be hell to decifer what was for you and what was for the rest of the Mafia. (And then you get a handle on the notifications. Plus, one of your main points is that it takes communication away - but the GF would indeed be confused if the Mafia underlings don't tell him which message was meant for whom. So actually, it doesn't completely screw over communication.)

'''It does actually take the Communication away, as they don't need to tell the GF who got what. If it was death, the GF'd see that. If it was roleblockage, they'd know if it was the Consig, but it doesn't tend to matter. They could claim it in the day, removing the proper use for the nightchat.'''

 (You mean "removing the NEED for the nightchat". That's a buff. But that's assuming the GF knows exactly who got which message, which is unlikely considering the sheer amount of things that could happen - so 9 times out of 10, there will still be communication between Mafia members.) 

Everybody Voting- This would make things harder for the Godfather. If the Godfather has someone in mind to kill, they mightn't be able to kill them. This would also be a gamethrowers dream with a team of them, forcing the killer into the protected Mayor. It also throws out the Communication part of the mafia's gameplay. (I've explained how it adds communication back. And it's HIGHLY unlikely that you'll end up with enough gamethrowers to have majority. One is rare enough. Also, I find that Mafia underlings tend to listen to the GF anyway, so communication is still in effect once again.)

'''If you have 3 teammates, and 2 gamethrow, then they'll have majority, and I've had  many games with two gamethrowers. Once again, communication is gone as people in voting for trials often go with the first to vote, so the same may happen here. Mafia underlings tend to listen to the GF, so they'd mindlessly vote, therefore no communication. (Personal experience isn't valid for debating, I don't think. Sheep voting is common, yes, but the Town will be doing it too - so those Mafia won't be at a huge disadvantage. And if personal experience IS valid... as GF, I've had my Mafioso disagree with me COUNTLESS times.) '''

'''Also, as an extra point- the Mafia will have more ragers than ever considering the voting. If people don't vote the way someone wants, that person could get mad. That could involves throwing the other members or ranting. It'd increase gamethrowers. (That depends on the person. And if they do throw, it'd only be for a short amount of time before they get banned.) '''

So "Tactical Mafia" could end up throwing teamwork tactics out the window. '''(False. I've explained this.) Secretly true. Shhh.'''