Board Thread:News and Announcements/@comment-25646419-20161124070113/@comment-25876622-20161211142014

Here is a video about the proposed Spy change:

And here's some more comments on the video:

"community response [...] negative. [...] lack of knowledge surrounding the proposed change." This is a nice way of saying "you are only saying no because you are stupid". This is also complete conjecture, since he does not actually know why people voted no.

"incredibly powerful ability" "is so powerful" Alright, the ability is powerful! I agree. "the Spy hasn't lost any power" Losing a powerful ability means you don't lose any power. Logic!

"never get any useful information" Wrong. I'm sorry the Spy is not an Investigator, where you simply have to click on a target to gain information. You actually have to read and deduce information. If they never chat, you win. If they chat, you win. Where is your lose-lose scenario?

"You all decide to claim Escort" Bad strategy, yes. Not the Spy's fault the Mafia can't speak in code.

"The conversation could go more like this" You can put the entire conversation in code. For example, tell your fellow Mafia to spam roles again; but the third role they say is the one they will claim to the Mayor. End after spamming 4-5 roles each. Don't agree with a claim? Tell "Mafia number 2" that they should claim something different: "Claim the second role that Mafia number 1 said."

Let's sum this up:
 * "Spy won't lose any power" Yes, he will. Orange said himself the Spy's ability is powerful.
 * "Spy gains no information if Mafia don't talk" True. If Mafia doesn't talk, the Mafia can't share information. The Spy is effective and doesn't need to gain information.
 * "Mafia can't plan" It's funny how Orange mentions ways to speak in code (spam roles), but doesn't think far enough how to implement this tactic to convey other sorts of information. Experienced, right?
 * "Spy gains no information if Mafia talks in code" It's a matter of skill, of course! If the Mafia is extremely good at speaking in code, faking their roles, faking their writing style, faking their messups, pretending to be someone else etc., of course the Spy will have a hard time. If the Mafia is not good at these things, the Spy will have a much better time. Orange demonstrated this nicely.

TL;DR video claims people who vote no are stupid. Claims Spy's ability is powerful, but doesn't lose power when it is removed. Claims ability is not useful when Mafia are good. Claims Mafia won't have to play skillfully if there is nobody listening.