Thread:Thatsmuggamer/@comment-31680260-20180411084950/@comment-27575896-20180412170022

Yes. The Coven if you include a PM, Medusa, and CL with Necro is a good combo, possible three kills in one night alone! This is a major help overall, but comes with serious late game problems:

The lack of available Townies or a quick removal of them puts more pressure on the use of VFR. VFR itself is a good tactic here, but the Coven can't physically claim anything good at all, especially if roles are already revealed. If TI is revealed or dead, Poisoner can't claim Sheriff. Town will easily lynch them. PM claiming Doctor is highly risky, and sometimes even "confirmations" don't work overall in situations where two TP exist. Lookout claims are absolute bullshit to Town if a CL is alive, and especially if CL claims Investigator. Put down the results of those you checked? Bye. Put down results of mostly dead people? Bye. Put down obvious results of confirmed people? Bye. CL has zero claimspace late game if other TI's are revealed. Medusa isn't able to claim much period, and Psychic is very risky 100%. Possibly the only available good claim is Hex Master, but depending on the roles in the game, it can backfire.

Town usually wins late game as roles are revealed and VFR becomes used a lot more often. The Coven can't claim anything well enough or good period, and the Mafia have an easier time as they are less of a struggle due to one-per-night kills minus Ambusher.

The Mafia, however, is a lot more trustworthy. Sometimes direct rehashes of roles are amazing game changers. The Consort is one notable one, being one of the most powerful Mafia roles in the game considering the ability to directly save Mafia members, or to directly prevent exposure. The Consigliere is an easy Investigator if used right due to the invest result. The Godfather has struggles, but can ward off easier than a CL. The Mafioso just needs to claim Vet if nobody already has, or otherwise claim Vig in risky unknown TK's, or TP if TP is unknown. Framer isn't great, but has infinite claimspace, like Hex Master. Janitor and Forger are evil. Lookouts are generally more beliveable with Mafia rather than Coven, as Coven are higher priority due to the mass amount of kills they can manage. Janitors can easily claim a dead role, since most people don't look at the possibilites of who is and isn't dead as the roles are unknown. Janitor is better than Medusa 100%. Hypnotist is EASY as heck, and Ambusher, if used correctly, can wipe out defenses much easier than a Hex Master.