Thread:Vertroyer/@comment-71.244.139.48-20170726231939/@comment-71.244.139.48-20170727145450

Vertroyer wrote: Just because others do wrong, doesn't mean yours is any more justified. Just to clear this out.

'''But I feel like mine is less justified than everyone else's... not to be a narcissist but it's true.'''

I also need to clarify what I'm going for too. The thing is, even when you're friendly, the way you speak just had a tendency to piss people off so badly. Ignore the chain reaction arguing that happened, but just remember that you and a few others had a rude argument. I know you all apologized and stuff so meh, close that matter.

I get how I can P.O. people when I'm angry, but I don't understand how I can piss people off when I"m friend;y.. is it because I come in abruptly? If so, what else am I supposed to do? If I don't like TOTM, I say I don't like TOTM out of nowhere, becase what the hell else am I supposed to do? If not, please explain how I piss you off, besides that fact that we've had an argument before. and people piss me off, too, like jm and stormy, but close that matter

Again, I didn't mix up, your intentions were good but your wording and the way you discuss and reply to others easily angers people. I'm not expecting you ease into the discussion like an action plot, I'm just telling you, you came outta nowhere and waltzed in, so expect an aggressive reaction or two.

'''Same thing as the previous paragraph.. how is my wording bad? I don't fucking swear fucking every fucking 5 seconds like some other users, and I use good grammar most of the time... so what could I do? I've already discussed the coming out of nowhere thing. What else am I supposed to come out of?'''

That's fine if your contributions we're only arguments, and you do apologize for your mistakes which is great, but if that's all you're gonna get involved in then you might sooner than later get labelled as one of the worst anons in this Wikia's history not by me but possibly by others.

'''I wasnt not really active on this wiki, all I wanted to do was say TOTM is flawed and then batshit happened. I got tied into the spicy argument then the JM skilz argument with nothing left to do. I could review roles and do wiki edits but you guys have that taken care of'''

What I'm suggesting, is that you rework the way you talk and start an argument, because with the history you have here and the way you argue, people are having a tendency to reject you and your ideas with a few exceptions. I mean, you criticized a friendly competition. Emphasis on the word FRIENDLY, which in this community, doesn't leave a good impression about what you're trying to do.

'''The totm thing wasn't an argument, it was a discussion. There's a difference. I started a discussion so I don't see how that's bad. It made people question TOTM at least. But still, it didn't work out, which sucks for me. I do get rude when I argue but.. yeah. And what's wrong with saying my opinion Friendly competitions can be flawed, you know.'''

What you suggest can leave an impression on you, any expressing of opinion can leave an impression on you. Have you went back and seen ToTm since way back when I wasn't staff and other old people were active? Of course not, so you wouldn't have known that this competition is not be taken seriously like it's a hunger games one.

Still though I guess I overestimated the competitions competitiveness, but it can still have flaws as I said.