Thread:RubikJohn/@comment-37421692-20190123020345/@comment-37421692-20190125005349

Vertroyer wrote: It sounds good that the Forger has freedom of will editing, until you realize that the town also has the freedom of sword penetrating his butthole. Freedom to edit wills means nothing when the will is confirmed to be fake no matter what due to the extremely common habit among competent towns where TIs will paste their will to the jailor or publicly on D2. They've already anchored their information and themselves against the Forger there.

Now all your statements about Forger being good sound great, aside from the horrid vagueness of your statements. You've made your 'what' part clear but you haven't put forth a reliable 'how' part supporting it. Right now, I see no reliable tactic or consistent method for a Forger to utilize that doesn't depend on the town making mistakes.

The Disguiser, no matter how low the chances of success are, still has a consistent chance to be useful within the circumstances of a competent town. The Forger, as far as I can see, has absolutely no consistent chance of being useful regardless of player skill. If you think that Disguiser has the chance to fool a competent town, you must be on at least 50 shots of crack. Seriously. It. Never. Works. Never ever have I seen a Disguiser work. Not in RP, not in Gold Elo Ranked. Never.

If a town is competent enough to realize that a will is fake and legitimately forged, they will no doubt know when a disguiser dies. Like come on, you keep saying that Disguiser's ability is only a back up plan but that's exactly why it's trash! It can be a bit more versatile and comfortable in it's claims? Yes and no. Although your disguise can technically give you a small cushion, all you are fooling is yourself into thinking that your disguise can take it on from there once you die. No it will not. If you happen to die, you might as well be holding a big neon sign that you are disguiser. Why? Because if you are killed by an role other than an NK, you are most likely suspicious to begin with!