Board Thread:Role Ideas (Mafia)/@comment-38352403-20190209014702/@comment-38352403-20190212234955

Orecreeper wrote: When seeing this role, I would like to compare it to canned food. Its extremely stale, dry, and just to put it blunt, tasteless. Its one concept that has been remade and resuggested at least twenty times, and it honestly gets old now. It has no spice.

And now lets look at this one concept. Apparently it makes people who visit someone visit that person again the next night. First of all, this is a Forum Mafia role lol, I'm literally not sure if you just directly copied the role and changed the name or what, but the FM version is pretty bad too, not gonna lie, but the main problem with this is that its essentially useless. It's like a disfunctional consort. '''It can make TI waste a night and force TP to stay on one person. '''And before I explain that, here is a main problem with this. What if, the night the Musician were to visit a person, that person dies? Now what, do the next night all the visit go to oblivion? What the fuck? '''I guess nothing happens then. '''

Now lets move on to what I was saying earlier. This role is essentially useless. It doesnt work with any killing roles Why would you want to work with any killing roles besides your own Mafia?, and the most it can do is make TI waste a night, or make the TP go off Jailor for some reason allowing the Mafia to attack them, but Consort does this better. Essentially, now that I think about it, every time this role is useful, Consort can achieve that exact same job and do it better. '''Consort can't make TI unknowingly visit someone again to cause a false investigation and a possible mislynch. Or like Rasen said, help confirm your own Mafia. '''Additionally, you have no idea what happened to your target, so you could secretly be luring the BodyGuard in the next night when your mafia decides to kill that person, and WALLAH. One mafia is dead. '''Oh wow, the Mafia must be really stupid to do that. Why would you ever attack somebody who the Musician picked the previous night?'''

Essentially, I think what this role needs is a passive ability. Like Blackmailer. An ability that is not its main ability but is nonetheless helpful. Some suggestion are that it can act like a Lookout that can see visits but also roles. E.g. "John Hathorne the Escort visited your target last night!" Although this might make it seem like a better Consigliere, this role has no control over who it "investigates" while Consigliere does. Another idea to make it less like Consigliere is to have visitor names and roles separate. E.g. "Samuel Sewall visited your target last night!" [in red]"An Arsonist visited your target last night!" Ok.

In general, this is probably one of the blandest and most generic ideas I have ever seen. Done and piece out, holy shit.