Board Thread:Role Ideas (Town)/@comment-29936852-20181228141736/@comment-28112409-20190104033723

Let's say we got a guy named Eduardo Zoey, famous chef or whatever. He wants to make a sandwich, right? Pretty simply thing to do, eh?

So, he puts one bun. Then he puts a piece of meat. So far so good. Then he puts a raw egg in there, yes. Then he shoves some cake and ice cream in there as well, mhm. Then he takes a pistol and shoots the sandwich a few times, followed by a burning match being thrown on it. Then he puts his wallet on top of the sandwich, then he bashes the entire thing with his grandmom's sewing machine. After that, he gets a crane and lifts his car to put it on the sandwich. Then he throws a grenade in the car, and throws another one under it towards the sandwich just in case. Then he contacts the president of the United States of America, and the sandwich gets nuked. Then he comes out of the fallout unscathed and says "Yep, I made a sandwich. Pretty good, amirite?"

Now imagine if we took all that mess, and a role idea was made that way. You don't need to imagine, the role idea is right there, named "Security Manager".

The mechanics and execution are so convoluted and nonsensical, that the concept is unclear as well. I don't know what this role is supposed to do or what it's solving or what the fudge I'm looking at here. You have essentially become Eduardo Zoey, but you messed up the role idea instead of the sandwich. The final outcome, is just a bunch of random mechanics lumped together... and no one knows why. You didn't even have the courtesy of explaining the implications of this role in the game or the intended interactions.

Think about it for a moment. What are the concepts of the TPs we currently have?

Doctor? Buys time by providing powerful defense and being a protective layer for confirmed townies. Bam, done.

Bodyguard? Anti-killer form of protection, who causes an exchange that favors the town upon success. Bam, ez.

Crusader? Higher survivability than Bodyguard, higher potential for killing evils, higher potential for killing townies. An exchange that makes this role a different method of protection. Bam, done.

Trapper? A protector that doesn't need to spam visit targets, but with similar potential of benefitting and wasting a trap. Bam, ez.

Now we reach Security Manager. What can I say for this if someone was to ask what the concept is?

Well, you see. There was a security thing, but then it got a wife. The tracker saw that, got jealous, got himself a wife too. If the security is visited by a tracker, you know about it then you go there with a camera and film what happens to monetize it on Pornhub. Except you don't know which tracker is the wife or which one the security is shaggin' with. You can't shove one bastard into you, but you can shove the other one. If the security gets fucked, the protection jumps in with a reverse no u card.

The control immunity jumps into the orgy, somehow. The tracker is actually smeagol from lord of the rings and jumps at you from above so they never know about it but the security isn't smeagol, so therefore people can know about it. The tracker and the security can only look for each other to smash for one night. If the tracker is there, you give the attacker the finger, but if it isn't there then you don't give the finger and the result is all the same. People know about the tracker but not the security but the security with an attack but turns out you can smahs both of em into one person anyway and... what the fuck.

What the fucking fuckity fuck is this role and why the fuck is it here? I think the main reason people just responded with whatever is because they just see mechanics and can only judge those, but the concept is more vague than EA's E3 shows.

I am not against justified complexity, but lumping things for the sake of lumping things is not a role idea worth entering the game. You need to greatly clarify what this role is meant to do as a protective and the balance of the game as whole, and how different enough can it be to put it aside the other TPs as a different thing but not an outright ripoff.