Board Thread:Role Ideas (Mafia)/@comment-38593192-20191201100955/@comment-35356104-20191218053638

Debtors will now be able to pay their own debt How?

Their Debt will be paid in full  if the Dealmaker uses them to their max amount of uses

The Starting Debtor can be used twice and the newly converted can be used thrice '''How to differentiate "starting" and the "fully converted"? Convert the same target twice to make them fully converted?'''

Once you use them to their max amount they will be freed from their "Debtor status"

Alignment:  Mafia Killing '''For some reason, TG's balancers believe that additional Mafia kill is broken. I don't know how to feel about the philosophy... but I'm gonna check the KPN to decide.'''

Note: I know this may be shutdowned with roasts because it can do negative utility but here's my take on an evil with high risk because he buffs the town.''' I see... there're 2 types of having negative utility, similar to "hard-counter" and "soft-counter". First is by being default, the harm is automated like Vigi killing themselves over guilt. Second one is by the mean of strategy, like Trans can mess up TI or sending Vigi to kill the wrong target. None is better than another, things should depends specifically on the role. Soo... there're wouldn't be any insta-rejected solely because of negative utility, as some risks are naturally inevitable.'''

Concept:A High Risk High Reward mafia that isn't easily killed or found out due to his control

Pros: -Can give mafia more kills '''Ok.. but make sure don't go overboard''' -Can save mafia from a terrible situation such as loss/low majority Ok -Can indirectly harm NK Ok -Can combo with the Consort and Blackmailer Ok

Cons:

-Is a double edged sword '''Gotta look at it specifically to know whether this a good thing or not. If it is critical for balance, then it's totally fine.''' -Can do more harm on mafia if played incorrectly '''ummm.. ok?''' -Requires communication and planning Ok -You become "useless" once all Debtors die '''It has limited conversion or...? Regardless, it's important to account how early it can possibly become "useless". If it can be "useless" as early as in D2, you need to buff it :) If it's a type which can hardly used up all the ability, then it's not really a con.'''

Introduction: You are someone who takes pleasure in risks and can trick people into their untimely death

Actual Lore: "Don't Deal with the Devil" was his motto ,his cockyness after winning a few bets made him challenge the Godfather thinking it would be an easy cashgrab however after losing a bet with the Godfather he went into a rage and thrashed everything the godfather had, he suddenly fell out of a window within his rage and broke his spine.The Godfather looked down on him and said in an Italian Voice "You are part of my family now and you will pay me with your abilities for as long as you live" Is he a failed yakuza or something..?

Attack: None Debtors: Basic

Defense: None Debtors: None

Unique Role: Yes

Priority: 2 '''If it's for "killing" I recommend 5. If it's for conversion, everything would do.'''

Abilities: During the Night -Make a Deal with someone once per night to convert them to your Debtors Attributes: -Making a deal with them will buff them according to their alignment but wiil become your Debtors '''Err... I'll check on the buff detail. Make sense lore-wise, but it's kinda overdone balance-wise.  -You can choose whether to make all of your Debtors die the next night if you die or make them attack your target if I choose the first option and Dealmaker didn't die, what happen?''' -You can only make a deal with Town and Neutral Roles -You start with 1 Debtor at random

Mechanics: (How It Works) How the ability works: -Since you are paralyzed the Debtors will be the one who visits your targets -The Last Debtor that you converted will be the one to visit your target(Dealmaking) -All Debtors will visit the person you want to kill(Killing) -Each Debtor will do a basic attack on the person you chose -You cannot have a Unique role as your first Debtor -You cannot attack without making a deal (Means that if you make a deal the current night.Then the next night you can attack) -Debtors keep their original Goal,Role,Abilities and Attributes -Debtors will visit their original target and your target(Killing or Dealmaking) however they won't apply their actions to your target aswell (Means that Ex: Player X is a Debtor(Escort) and visits Player Y(Original) you made him make a deal with Player Z(Your choice) He will rb Player Y but not Player Z) -Debtors will not recieve a notification that they were converted into a Debtor

'''Neat & detailed. However, KPN is very unstable, but I'll consider it high, as min KPN would be 0.5 for conventional play (Deal N1, kill N2, deal N3, kill N4...), or highest possible KPN would be 1 (Convert 7 debtors from N1 to N6, and was lynched on D7, it would be 7 deaths on N7). Almost equivalent to WW. '''

Buffs: Town Investigatives: Results can't be tampered with (Ex: Werewolf won't make the sheriff see him as innocent on Non-WW nights,Bypasses Transports) Town Killings/Neutral Killings: Become immune to roleblocks and witches for one night Town Protectives/Town Support/Neutral Evil/Neutral Benign: Become immune to direct visits for one night (These are pretty normal buffs but I can't think of anything crazy that actually gives you feeling of risk) '''This is fine. LOL don't do too much risk. Mafia is too UP to afford any kind form of backfire.'''

Helpful Strategies: Your mafia buddies can claim to be a Dealmaker if the Dealmaker's presence is confirmed so they will have to be the last one killed unless ofc you died and/or they were found out by a TI or killed by a TP '''Ummmmmm.... Town wouldn't spare any known evil regardless of its utility. Framer or GF, once known, it is an insta-lynch. Even though it may die together with all debtors, but not killing dealmaker only gives more time to gather more debtors and causes more death. I don't think Town would leave it alive for another day. lol'''

You can send your debtors to the veteran causing the veteran to either sacrifice himself or make your debtors die '''Yes, I see this coming. '''​​​​​​​ Mafia Killing is kind of controversial alignment to go though. And... apologize that I have nothing to suggest. Maybe you can post it on Official Forum for better suggestion, but watch out for classic Mafia Killing roast. Good luck