Board Thread:Role Ideas (Rework)/@comment-33641934-20180304193429/@comment-33641934-20180306203504

Spy is a weird role, serving two functions. most roles have one function (aside from jailor, who can semi-roleblock) and i decided to make it like most roles. so i decided to give the spy the whisper seeing back in part, and gave the informant the rest. And i've said it already, I THINK INFORMANT SHOULD BE A BIT MORE POWERFUL AND INTERESTING. ok maybe i could blend the informant and spy idea, but that brings a problem back up. Spy is in a confusing state, with 2 things that are needed to keep track of. Adding the whisper thing complicates it even more. You basically have to keep 3 wills, which ToS has a hard enough learning curve as it is. Spy is one of least liked roles by new players (apart from medium) for a reason. They can't get how to store all that information! Plus, they might not know how to use the Chat Log, making it nearly impossible. I know what you might say "But they need to learn. Git Gud man" My rebuttal would be the predicament TF2 has been in for almost 5 years. Players take almost a year learning how to "Git Gud" because there is no tutorial, no anything. ToS doesn't take that long, but the frustration it cause new and veteran players is almost equal. Veteran players are angered by the lack of skill when they are playing casually. (not ranked)