Board Thread:Role Ideas (Town)/@comment-34703140-20190402050728/@comment-26234016-20190402225859

Quoth, Ray-ray, honey, you can't say that I've got 'something wrong with my mentality' and then say y'ain't up in arms. You're allowed to be angry, but, like, don't... attack me I guess?

I'll defer to you on the Jailor thing, all the #discourse about the... Jailor meta? Is that what it's called? Kinda happened around me and I stayed out of it. Alright, the Jailor can and will reveal themself, confirm themself, etc., which leaves a grand total of three roles (Mayor, Ret, Jailor) that we agree can self-confirm. Talk to me about the Town Power alignment! Call me.

Anyways, I didn't realize you were talking about the death messages specifically– if you were, why not skip past all the TP/TI baloney you had going on? Sure, the death messages broadcasted to the entire dang town can't be faked, but the Vigilante, Crusader, Trapper, etc. aren't necessarily revealed like that. Again, counterclaiming is a thing that happend, so the roles are by no means confirmed by their actions. Yes, a person can say 'I, the Vigilante, will shoot X to prove myself' or whatever, but they run the risk of being killed by the NK/Mafia, so... unless there's also, like, a Vigilante meta I'm unaware of that the Vig should always reveal... those sorts of death messages don't prove jack.

((Side note: The Doctor wasn't my only counter-example, I'm assuming because you haven't stated otherwise that you've given up on the 10/19 Townies thing))

So why's my little descent into insanity relevant to the Salesman, you ask? The Salesman is a... wait for it... Supplier role. I'm tellin ya, bud! Supplier roles bad. A TK is guaranteed in a Ranked game, right? Or a Jailor, at the very least, which is deffo gonna come in handy, especially because you've said that all sensible Jailors self-confirm. So, the Supplier is going to be able to self-confirm, just not as quickly as, like, a Mayor. Probably quicker than the Rets I know, if the Jailor/Vig/Whoever is trigger happy.

So yeah, this is a self-confirming role. A hella bad one, too. Supplier roles bad; this role bad.