Board Thread:Debate of The Week/@comment-37421692-20190430215039/@comment-36558623-20190510042629

Orecreeper wrote: Bruh if the Mafia let the one role make them lose the game, then I have one thing to say. You SUCC. '''Jailor. You're telling me that if a Jailor executes three mafia players, the mafia is bad.''' (Unless the Mafia has like 2 Framers/Disguisers as RM, but Town could also have 4 spies). Much more likely to have good town then good mafia Doc is like, the most balanced role in the game, I argue vig but this is all about opinion I giess so it kinda gets overshadowed by a lot of powerful Town roles, especially its friends in the Town Protective alignment, all of which are significantly better. '''I only play standard, so you can literally only be reffering to Bodyguard, yet you still say all. Unless you're talking about coven, which has crusader.''' But back to Retri, the 2-3 confirmed townies just makes it so that the Mafia needs to play smarter. '''PLAY SMARTER? ARE YOU SERIOUS. THAT'S YOUR ARGUEMENT? no. When the confirmed lookout, bodyguard, and RT doctor are on your Ret, the Jailor they revived, and the medium who the jailor confriemd while dead, the solution is not "play smarter" it's nerf the ret. and lookout for that matter tbh.  Town wins when the evils are all killed, and the evils are killed by lynching. This is why VFR is the most effective strategy in the game, when every role claims, not all of them will fit in the role list, so you must decifer which ones are fake. If there are three TK claims but only room for two, the fun of the game is to take your risk and listen to whichever player you trust the most. It's convincing, it's deduction, it's a game of mafia buffed with steroids of possibilities that could happen. Ret doesn't do this. Ret RUINS this by only utilzing an overpowered and uncounterable part of the game. Auto-Confirming. All of the convincing and deduction are gone. All of the skill and trust that make the game fun are completely negated. How do you convince the town you're an RT TK when there are seven confirmed roles on the third day. How do you counter-claim a ret. The solution is not to "Play smarter"''' Usually what makes the Mafia lose is some dumb blunder like getting busted by the Sheriff/Invest. '''That's not dumb. That's them getting lucky n1 or sheriffs using voting patterns, although voting patterns are becoming less and less reliable as the season goes on. Or they scum-read you. Sometimes though, sheriff's get lucky. I don't think this is one of the biggest issues though, so I'll move on''' '''Getting busted by an invest is possibly one of the most annoying and least skill requiring things in the game. If you are n3 on the role list, and you are vfr'd the second day, and you are the mafioso. this is purely a hypothetical, you may substitute the number on the role list and the mafia role. You see that there is a TK claim already, so you claim TP. That night, the Investigator checks you. You lose. The investigator is overpowered. It forces all roles to allign only one or two roles to claim. The only slim exception is a godfather claiming their doused, bu that almost never works. The investigator's results should be changed, to give more claim-space to all evils, this is not any players fault or a "dumb blunder"''' Although I love Invest, amazing role and signifcantly better than the Sheriff. '''yeah it's better. it's better because it's overpowered. That's like saying you like Ret better then Med because you feel like you were way more powerful as the med. ''' Anyways, maybe it should ring a bell to KILL the revived townie? Especially if they are a TP role? '''​​​​​​ stop being condesending, it's especially annoying because you're ignorance is bleeding through your words. You cannot kill a revived townie. Not only can they have one of the three TP's on them, I am counting lookout because it essentially serves the same purpose, but even if they don't, you also have to get through the TP, Jailor, and Ret. If you manage to get lucky, and the TP or Jailor was the one revived, you have an even slimmer chance because everyone and their mom is on them.''' In a lot of games with Retri, for some reason the Mafia just ignores when a townie is revived and just tries to get around that and kill the town escort for some reason. '''killing escort is great because you usually lose your mafioso or gf n1 when they're are killed by a dumb blunder like sheriff or invest. they kill the escort because escort is yet ANOTHER role confirmed easily, with the only difference being you don't have three TPs. A TP can't be on every confirmed town, so you have to pick and choose. The Mafia, and the TP do this. The Mafia know that, the TP will choose the Jailor or the Revived townie, so they kill the confirmed escort.''' I don't know why this happens but like, wtf guys, kill the confirmed guy first. escort is confirmed too