Board Thread:Role Ideas (Neutral)/@comment-31680260-20170408232521/@comment-29493275-20170411133235

time for role reviewing!

Jallybwan wrote: Role: Convict

like it already

Alignment: Neutral Evil

WOW so surprising!

Goal: Provoke the Jailor into executing you.

makes sense since a convict

You are an escaped prisoner who wants to portray the Jailor as trigger-happy.

okay so executing you does what to the jailor?

Investigator results: Your target keeps to themselves. They must be a Surv/Witch/Vamp Hunter/Convict.

good one m8

Consig/Witch results: Your target is an escaped prisoner. They must be a Convict.

of course

Can win with: Anyone, as long as they get executed.

yea okay

Night Immunity: No.

Bite Immunity: No.

makes sense

Unique: Yes. If the Jailor executes a Convict, they lose their executions - preventing any other Convicts from winning.

multi convict games are interesting now:)

If the Jailor executes you, they will lose their executions. This is intended to balance the Jailor, which I believe is the main reason for Town's high win rate. And it isn't a hardcounter - Jailor can still effectively roleblock people, and talk to them (gain information) at the same time. It also helps Mafia/Neutrals when confronted by a Jailor, as they could appear to be a Convict.

makes sense to me

I can understand why people would think this is a Jester rehash - but it's intended to lower win rate for the Town, which is what the "Making New Roles" page states. Jailor is easily the most powerful Town role (in my opinion) and they generally don't have to be careful with their executions. Also, the Mafia can't help the Convict win, other than urging the Jailor to execute him in day-chat. The Jailor has to make the decision to execute on his own, so you can't just say "Hey Mafia, I'm Convict. Vote me up" like a Jester can.

This could also help with gamethrowing. Anyone who claims SK or GF is going to get executed. And if they're a gamethrowing townie, that screws the Jailor over. Now, anyone who claims SK or GF could be seen instead as an obvious Convict. Jailors will have to decide whether or not they really are a Convict, similar to a night-immune role parading as Executioner.

''yea it technically in a way is a rehash but not that much of one. I like it''

In regards to lynching, it's generally a good thing to lynch Convicts. Similar to Executioner, they might not actually be a Convict, and Town doesn't lose anything by lynching them.

''but they may also look like a jester making it confusing so chaos! Love it!''

Being shot by a Vigilante will cause you to die, and lose. You have to be EXECUTED to win. This also balances the role, as a Vigilante doesn't have to worry about losing their bullets or committing suicide - they have no reason NOT to shoot the Convict.

so biggest threat is the vig because vig loses nothing if they kill you this makes sense in balance reasons

If there is no Jailor, there cannot be a Convict. This is similar to the fact that there are no Vamp Hunters without Vampires.

yep

If the Jailor dies, you will become a Survivor with one vest. This is to symbolize the Convict getting over his grudge with the Jailor and wishing to get on with a normal life.

nice it changes like the executioner

So overall it technically is a rehash of the jester in a way yet it isn't. I personally think it isn't that much of a rehash as it has many differences.

I would say a rehash of jester would be someone who wants to die at night just by anything. This makes sense to me.

So here it comes.....

ACCEPTED