Board Thread:Debate of The Week/@comment-28112409-20181230235210/@comment-33167183-20190101181908

Framer, especially after the perma frames change and sheriff change, is actually moving up on the tier list.

Yes, the chance of there not being a is low, and the chance of there 100% being a  or  is not guarenteed.

But the odds of tricking one have been significantly improved.

It still requires a lot of luck, however

Unlike disguiser.

Who doesn't do shit regardless if it gets lucky.