Board Thread:Debate of The Week/@comment-28112409-20171106001329/@comment-32881402-20171106203005

Polypies73 wrote: No, as debates do not always need to have statistics for them to be valid. Personal views are fine. I'm not suggesting that we remove all opinions, but raising the standard of debating would require the removal of arguments like this, or at least their validity. See, subjective arguments like 'I think Medium is boring to play' mean nothing, unless you have proof that the vast majority of players agree. Your own point of view means nothing, unless supported by evidence. If you asked me, I'd say 'I think the Medium can be very fun, since you have more time to talk to people'. Now, both of the points said aren't valid, because we have different opinions on the matter, with no evidence. Subjectivity is not good for debates, because I can't change what you enjoy, so I can't debate against it. There is no more debate around it because nobody can just change what you like.

People are also not going to just change for you. The debate isn't focused around what you like. If that was it, there'd be a poll just asking 'Do you find the Medium fun to play as?', since there's really no debate around it. We have differing opinions on it and they won't change. Unless the poll gives results on a large scale, it, too cannot be used as an argument. Just because 30 people out of 10 thousand like something and they're all focused in one community, that doesn't make it an argument. Subjectivity is one of those things that people avoid in debates because it really just doesn't matter. You can, however, debate the balance and power of roles, but that doesn't work as well with swingy roles.

With chat-related roles, you can never tell when Town will hang or not hang. When a role is completely dependent on the chat, you can't balance, because it's too unstable  and you can't tell if Town is in a good or bad mood. Whatever you say and claim, well, you have no defined abilities, so you're not going to be able to have much control over what you do. It's not possible to give debates on things like this.