Board Thread:Debate of The Week/@comment-28112409-20180228113931/@comment-31680260-20180304014237

SpacedefenderX wrote: I have to say Crusader is better

Sure it can kill allies, but others time, you can take down a evil while protecting your target. Then tell me why in 90% of the Crusader games I've been in, they've done nothing but murder fellow Townies.

This works a lot in the town's favor, as most roles focus on dealing with the killing roles(BG and Doc), you can cut the memory feeding to the executing file. '''Or you can do the Mafia's job for them. It's not even skill-based, so even if you protect the right townie, you still have a good chance of totally missing the evil role and picking off your own faction - or even another TP who was actually going to protect the target.'''

As to the friendly fire effect, if a Crusader is played right, it can avoid most town visits and pick off lonely mafia members. '''Even in the hands of the most skilled player, there is still RNG involved, which means you STILL have a chance of screwing your own team over. There's a reason we frown upon - even reject - RNG-based roles. Crusader is a perfect example of that.'''

Another thing to add is how the others react to the roles flaw. Ambusher would get lynched, dying and wasting the mafia a vote, while crusader will get yelled at, but mostly won't be lynched. '''Crusader staying alive would kill more Town than the Ambusher would kill Mafia, which is really the main thing we need to consider. Ambusher, while it's a waste of a Mafia slot, at least kills one person - which does actually help the Mafia - and maybe more if you predict correctly. Crusader not being lynched would just lead them to "protect" someone else and likely kill yet another Townie. Even on the off-chance it DOES hit an evil role, there's a decent chance the role it hits will be totally immune to its attack.'''

A thing I always wanted to point out is a mechanic called rampage, sure it is rare, but when attacked by a rampage, ambusher dies without actually doing stuff, while the Crusader would still save his target, and usually this is enough to win. '''Only three roles have Rampage, two of which are very rarely seen in a game of Ranked - and the other one only rampages every second night. And by the way, Crusader can't kill either of them.'''