Thread:MemeDaddy1233/@comment-27398195-20180525054855/@comment-34797858-20180526035719

HAWAIIANpikachu wrote: We just need a few tweaks to the game and the old disguiser, and it'll be fine and viable. "A few tweaks" will not make the disguiser viable. It can and still probably be used to cause fake reports. You have already suggested several tweaks to change disguiser.

>Reworking spy, which is fine where it is.

>Rework the trial system, which causes reports with disguisers to take longer due to the trial players having to check the disguisers to make sure that they aren't the ones gamethrowing/spamming.

>Allowing disguiser to change it's results to it's target and taking their will, nerfing forger

All these problems harm the game. Nerfing a role that is fine where it is, forcing trial system players to take longer just to make sure that it isn't the disguiser they have to ban, nerfing an already s**t role. For the ability to make one role back to being horrible when we could just change the role again.

This won't make forger shit.

Janitor makes forger s**t already because it is ten times better, it allows mafia more claim space, prevents ret from reviving that player and removes their will completely compared to the ret which only replaces it. Now we add disguiser that takes their will and can (I assume) tweak their will. That'll make forger even more unreliable which is something we don't need. "A few tweaks" will not make the disguiser viable. It can and still probably be used to cause fake reports. You have already suggested several tweaks to change disguiser. Actually, it could.

>Reworking spy, which is fine where it is. Ok.

>Rework the trial system, which causes reports with disguisers to take longer due to the trial players having to check the disguisers to make sure that they aren't the ones gamethrowing/spamming. I just said to add a replay feature, not to rework the trial system, but regardless, giving others a option to look at others POV would help others make their judgements better, which is what the trial system should have.

>Allowing disguiser to change it's results to it's target and taking their will, nerfing forger Doesnt nerf forger.

Janitor makes forger s**t already because it is ten times better, it allows mafia more claim space, prevents ret from reviving that player and removes their will completely compared to the ret which only replaces it. Now we add disguiser that takes their will and can (I assume) tweak their will. That'll make forger even more unreliable which is something we don't need.

'''​​​​​​​Except that Forger is still reliable even with Janitor if used correctly, clearing other members off suspicion and placing it on others. I don't see how changing would make Forger shit.'''