Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31256456-20181228061901/@comment-37421692-20190120200656

Pokechurin wrote: NapstablookInfinity wrote:

Vertroyer wrote: NapstablookInfinity wrote: RASENGAN6 wrote: Well then the town is stupid--

Not the Ret's fault. My point is Retri is not as broken or invinicible as you make it sound like.

Oh yeah, and Vert. Are you trying to tell me that one specific role cannot make another role weaker? VH totally doesnt nerf Vampires to hell... oh and Medium doesnt really make Janitors that useless... VH is a hardcounter, Janitor is not. Medium is a role that might ​​​​​​​come out and counter Janitor. It is not a guarantee. The chances for the 2 roles to be in the same game are pretty low if you do the math. I don't know why you're using the Medium as an example here either, since you just argued that Ret and Med claims can be lynched simply by Janitor existing in the game. If you're going to shoot yourself in the foot, at least be more decisive about it.

You've also misinterpreted the point entirely. Retributionist needs a consistent counter, not praying to RNG that one of their RMs will be a Janitor. Mediums can be faked very easily, they can be killed, they can be stopped and you always have the killers needed to do it. You can't stop the Retribrokenist's resurrection when he does it, and your only consistent chance is killing him N1 or before any other townie dies which in itself is extremely low. Couple this with the fact that Retribrokenist's results are binary and not on a spectrum, he will perform that rez for the majority of the games, and that's one of the main reasons he's overpowered. Ret can be stopped by any role-blocker or Witch/CL.

Also, it brings back one fucking townie. It can confirm two townies generally, maybe three if there happens to be a medium with a Ret. And there is also the chance that the Ret might die before they even get a chance to revive. Firstly, thank you guys so much for staying on topic! I bring up a point and now everyone is whining about autoconfirming being "overpowered" smh sometimes this place can be the worst.

Anyways, Retributionist brings back 1 townie. Only one, yes. But now, the townie is auto confirmed, everyone has to claim to this revived townie through whispers, and now you confirm yourself, possible mediums, etc. Basically, you waste a night for the mafia, allow the town to receive tons more info, allow the revived target to do what he pleases because you know, mafia totally going to attack confirmed revived person haha, and generally allow the Town to gain a significant advantage.

Fun fact: Near 100% of my ret games have been wins. And my win loss ratio isn't that good.

Ret being role blocked is a silly argument because the ret doesn't have to reveal. It can, of course, but it doesn't have to. Let's say it does, and you get role blocked. The town now immediately knows there's a consort and gains valuable info anyways. But role blocked and witch and whatever scenarios don't make up for the fact that it's utterly broken. your whole argument is based off of the fact that two roles can "counter" it lol. And plus, LO can be on a retributionist to see who's on them anyways. As for the "only confirms 2 townies" that's like saying mayor is bad because it only confirms 1 townie lol. 2 townies is a LOT. Mayor can freely ask for roles with no suspicion. Revived targets and retributionist can both freely ask for roles with no suspicion+ don't have the issue of whispers. Once you have a revived target, you're playing a jailor meta with minimum 3 townies confirmed already and probably more if town have been playing well Retri just boils down to buying the Town one more day smh. The confirmed Townies will just be picked off one by one by the Mafia or Neutral Killing.