Thread:Jallybwan/@comment-32783587-20180125220929/@comment-31680260-20180130192125

Anons unite wrote: free will is good... for MOST people. '''Free will is given to us at birth. Would you punish someone for something they haven't done yet? A priest saved Hitler as a child from drowning - is that priest then responsible for the Holocaust?'''

but he would know that there would be suffering and pain in the world because of people abusing that free will power. so im not saying get rid of that free will stuff, but t least intervene a little to make the world better. '''I've countered this point so many times it's not funny... WHAT PART OF "LEARN THE HARD WAY" DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND'''

you keep saying thats part of the "plan" that you dont understand, but god could create something to improve our standars of living, while keeping our free will and forced  gift thing in check. seems hard, but gods all powerful, so he could just do that. why not? '''He already gave us the gift of life. And if He just stepped in and made everything hunky dory, what would be the point of Heaven or Hell? In a perfect world, free will straight up wouldn't exist, since humans aren't perfect and we'd abuse it otherwise. I think it's perfectly fair for Him to let us deal with our own problems, especially since it gives us an opportunity to ask for help. Not just from other people (although that may be part of it), but ask God Himself. Suffering allows people to bond together, adversity brings out the best and the worst in people.'''

without god, ignoring him out of the equation, do you think its fair for someone to have a place where youre burning for eternity, or at least suffering? is that fair to you, that anyone should he held to such harsh conditions they cant escape, just because they dont accept jesus? '''You can't ignore God; He's in everything. And anyone in Hell is there because of their own choice, how many times must I say it? You harp on and on about how "unfair" it is, but it's actually totally fair. Jesus won't force you into Heaven, that's a choice. If you choose not to take the path into Heaven, that's your own fault. But so many people don't want to take responsibility for their choices, so they blame God instead for being "unfair".'''

and yes, people do get scared into believing, and as a "99 athiest", not a "100 athiest" it can scare people also. pascals wager! im not saying those people are smart or dumb, but you have to know people do get scared into believing, and i am considering it, as i said. '''That's ruling by fear, which isn't how God works. He loves us. He is our Father. A true father who loves his child would rule by loving him, not by terrifying him into submission.'''

so which sems likely? some being that breaks laws of physics createad thousands of years ago by man using a book when people still thought that "blood letting" was a good idea and had no understanding of science? or a more logical, recent viewpoint  that includes science and things we have more proof of? '''Why should the two be opposing choices? God can break physics because He's not confined by them; He's on a totally different level. That doesn't mean a scientific viewpoint is wrong - heck, I believe science SUPPORTS God, since everything had to come from somewhere. I'm willing to believe the Big Bang happened as God's "Let there be light", since those very laws of physics themselves state you cannot make matter out of nothing. Therefore, the only explanation for the Big Bang is that whatever made it must have been able to TRANSCEND those laws.'''

sorry for insulting god by the way. i dont wanna be rude. I forgive you.