Thread:Vertroyer/@comment-71.244.139.48-20170726231939/@comment-28112409-20170727183021

It has flaws, so what. It's a friendly competition, no one really made a fuss about it except you who wasn't even involved in this competition at all. Like, literally, everything was fine, barely anyone was complaining until you brought it up.

By wording, I don't mean swearing. I mean the way you talk in general, I'm honestly not surprised you got attacked and hated. Lemme give you just a couple of examples, a recent one and one from when you started the discussion. I'm not bashing you, but pointing out some things in your way of talking you should avoid.

Here's some quotes from the total votes for totm in July thread:

"No offense, but ToTm is kinda shit... My idea is that we scrap TOTM for good because it causes too much tension and most of the winners are bull."

2 comments in, you're already being a hypocrite. I'm not hating, I'm legit serious. This habit of saying "no offense" and then offending people anyway is one of the worst techniques in speaking known across the internet.

You said no offense, indicating you don't want to offend people but then in another comment you offended the winners anyway. Doesn't matter what your intentions are, people look at what you say, and what you said ticks people off. Stop doing that. It gives off a vibe that you're either a coward who doesn't want to get hated or you're just trying to look respectful while metaphorically raising a middle finger at someone. "No offense", cross it out of your dictionary.

"Shadow should have won may, yis june, and then spicy/rubik/jally july."

This is where your opinion and thoughts kill the aspect of the community in voting. People choose whatever they want to vote for. Not even an admin has the power to convince people to actually follow this order if they tried, because the voting is open towards whoever from whoever.

I understand what you're trying to imply. But don't, especially that this is a friendly contest, don't say what things should've gone for and how it should've been. This gives off an assertive tone and people are gonna see you as a waltzer. The fact that you abruptly came in outta nowhere supports that view of you.

Never say who should've won what and who should've lost what in friendly competition or a friendly activity. It's a horrible move and labels you as a joykiller.

Yes yes, I hear you, you changed, you apologized, bla bla bla, so let me get some recent examples in here too. These quotes are from your latest comments in the totm suggestions thread before it was closed.

"fine. whatever. I guess TOTM will be flawed forever..."

Snakes leave with a last hiss, heard of that quote? It's a quote describing a bad habit, which is what you did here. You first said "fine, whatever" which shows you're like, not caring anymore. This alone would be fine but you had to hiss by saying " totm will be flawed forever"

People have previously admitted that totm is flawed, and the previous 2 words you said are basically you not minding this but then you just have to shove that reminder in there. It's basically like saying " that's fine, but this is wrong anyway" and this is indirectly insulting people who didn't agree to change it.

To make it even worse, people know it's flawed, and you said it when the discussion ended. This is such a low move, so low that keemstar's backstabbing is not even that bad. It may seem like a normal thing, but trust me, it's a low move, don't do last hisses, just do a friendly goodbye like anyone else.

"shadow will win this month, and it better be yes i'm single, jallybwan, jmskilz, or rubikjohn that wins it next month."

Again with the assertive tone. Stop acting like you're someone with some high voice in the community or that people will actually listen to you and the totm will revolve around your wishes. It may not have been your intentions, but the way you said is a whole nother story.

Just like I said previously. Avoid phrases like "should've done this" or " better be this". The only times we have seen you getting involved with the community is mostly by discussion or argument, and according to the responses I've seen to your points in the totm thing and the fact that it didn't change, the discussion was basically a waste of everyone's time.

Don't let people think that you're the waltzer or the hypocrite or even the joykiller by default. It's why barely anyone listens to you and why you inevitably get hate, even rex who initially agreed with you changed back. Again, I'm not bashing on you, I'm pointing out what you need to change in your speaking.

These are only some of the things you can change, and when you do, trust me boi, people will listen to you more, you'll have a louder voice in the community and you won't receive hate.

As for the issue of abruptly coming out, don't just stalk the wiki and then say you did so and its reason for people to listen to you. Stalking the wiki even for eternity means nothing here. What truly counts is your involvement. Be more involved, let everyone know you're not just another annoying anon and that you're a person who is legit trying to help the community. Just try and follow my instructions for once and see how it'll change.

URN is a real life example, he changed the same way I previously mentioned, the guy is now a valuable member of our community, so you try and do the same. You'll even be friends with Jem and Stormy after you change these issues, with patience.