Thread:Orecreeper/@comment-27398195-20180723195224/@comment-34403911-20180811033620

Jallybwan wrote: Orecreeper wrote: What kind of game forces you to make your own fun? Sounds like a crappy idea IMO. All the fun should be built in -_- Ah, WALL-E warned me about this. "Give it to me in a cup so I can sip it", as CinemaSins put it most beautifully.

No game is fun unless you put some effort into it.

'''And does this apply to everything? Is watching YT fun? Do you put effort into it?'''

'''Also, we didn't say anything of making it a free win. In fact, the whole point of the argument is to banish the idea of the free win. Sure, you can have fun by going the extra light year, but did you know, you can actually  do much more. And once again, fun is subjective so you can't say games aren't fun that you don't put effort in.'''

And, once again, fun is subjective. Most people don't like Survivor, that's fine. Some people do, that's also fine. Why can't we just leave it at that? I'm legitimately confused.