Board Thread:Role Ideas (Coven)/@comment-36029821-20180630020620/@comment-25615841-20180704174911

Nemid wrote: Alignment: Coven Evil

'''figured. the name fits the alignment nicely, so that's good'''

Attack: Basic

uh oh

Defense: None

Unique Role: Yes

alrighty

Abilities: You can make a doll with the likeness of another

????

Attributes: Visit someone and spend a night crafting a doll with their likeness

right

The following night, you may destroy the doll to deal a basic astral attack to the previous target

'''so.. skip d1, and astral attacks every night..?'''

If your target dies with the doll intact (this includes the night the doll was crafted), your doll will take the target's position.

okai

Mechanics: You can visit your target to make a doll with their likeness. The following night, you can destroy the doll to deal a basic astral attack. You can only have one doll at a time.

'i dont think you know what likeness'' means, or maybe I'm just reading this. Still, I get that you have an option as to whether you destroy or not, but it really just seems like it's a delayed astral sk '''

If your target dies and the doll isn't broken, our target's death isn't shown during the day, and they continue appearing as "alive". They cannot speak or vote. You will know your target's role if they die and the doll isn't broken unless they were cleaned/stoned. If your doll is lynched or destroyed at night, the following text will appear: "We found a last will (*player's last will*); We found a death note (*Killer's death note*); They appear to have been a doll. They were made in the likeness of a (*original target's role*).

'''so, this screws with the trial system. at least it's original :D'''

The existance of a doll does not affect the number of votes necessary to vote someone up. if there are 3 players and a doll, only two votes are necessary to vote someone up.

'''which would reveal the existence of a doll. ok.'''

Your doll has a basic attack and a defense of none. when it is destroyed, it will deal a basic attack to whoever attacked it. You can destroy your doll to deal a basic attack to someone. If you choose to deal a basic attack and the doll is attacked in the same night, only the one who attacked the doll will suffer the basic attack.

sounds good

If a vigilante shoots your doll of a townie, they will not kill themselves the following night.

great

The Jailor does not lose their executions for killing a doll disguised as a town member.

okay

A mafioso/Godfather can target a doll of a member of the mafia for an attack.

nice

If your doll is role blocked, it will deal a basic attack to the role blocker (except the jailor).

wait WHAT

If the dollmaker dies, the doll dies as well.

makes perfect sense

You and your target will receive a notification when your target dies and is substituted by your doll. A Spy will be able to see this.

good

Necronomicon: You do not visit your target nor take one night to make a doll of them. You immediately deal a basic astral to your target, and if they die, they are substituted with your doll. If your doll is destroyed at night, It's original role and will will not be revealed.

'''so makes it less like poisoner and more like sk. I think the necronomicon-less state of this role is easily powerful enough to be what happens to the role when it receives the necronomicon.'''

-Investigative Results-

Sheriff: Your target is a member of the coven!

Your target is a doll!

perfect

Investigator: Medium, Janitor, Retributionist, Necromancer, Trapper, Dollmaker

3-1-1-1. That's actually pretty good

No results when investigating the doll

'''what. so, basically '''

Consigliere/Witch: Your target is a master at crafting. They must be a Dollmaker

eh, could still be improved but it's decent

Your target moves unnaturally. It must be a doll!

sounds kind of basic

Goal: Same as Coven

Same as below

Wins With: Same as Coven

Same as below

Must Kill: Same as Coven

you're mom gay Main points:

--So, the ability. From what I understood, it's basically a role that can mark a person for the death the next day. At least, this is how it would be used, which unfortunately makes it a sort of poisoner/sk combo with an astral attack and a different coloured name. Also kind of OP seeing is as it eliminates a player each night starting at N2.

-Though the ability is originl, it breaks a pretty major rule. http://town-of-salem.wikia.com/wiki/Making_New_Roles says;  Breaking the Trial System - Any role that can mess with the process of reporting players, such as the Pre-1.5 Disguiser. Note: This stipulation is referring to the system of reporting players, NOT lynching players.

+All of the smaller things you nailed. The stats are balanced, and the investigative results are all well done and don't screw over any faction in specific, so that's good. Well done on this, at least :D

Overall, I'd give it a

maybe/10 IGN</nowiki


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