Thread:JamJamalWiki/@comment-28092296-20180601012843/@comment-28092296-20180601151349

JamJamalWiki wrote: TheRetroPioneer wrote: http://town-of-salem.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:285410

In response to Disguiser and Forger being reliant on Consigliere: Oh wow, whatever you're about to say I bet you I'm gonna disagree with it.

Hands down one of the most common things I've heard from the Town of Salem community (besides the sea of "Time Traveller" role ideas). While they are buffed because of Consigliere, they aren't reliant on the Mafia's revealing role.

I wouldn't go as far as to say it's 'Most common', I think the most common is 'Retributionist OP' or 'Medium UP' or 'Framer UP' or 'Jailor Meta OP'.

An easy way for Forgers to successfully forge someone is to leave their forge blank. '''Janitor can clean both their role and will. Not only does this count as a forge on the target, but often times people won't even notice and the victim will just assume that the game bugged out or they had connection problems This is not true at all, in Ranked games, any townie who does not have a will and is killed by Mafia, is automatically considered to be forged. Literally, even sometimes if a townie dies Night 1  and doesn't have a will, they're almost considering a Forger. '''—or even bleep over the fact that they had no will at all. Additionally, Forgers can 'frame' people such as "confirmed townies" and "Jester claims" by matching their wills. Even a Sheriff will on a Tracker confuses people '''What?! A Sheriff will on a Tracker would guarantee a Forgery. Town might assume it's Disguiser, but if they are killed by the Mafia, Town will know it's probably not a Disguiser. Especially if it's not a Witch/Transporter game.'''—that's what the Mafia Deception subfaction is for.  Mafia Deception apart from Janitor is trash 

However, Disguisers don't really rely too much on the Consigliere. It is nice to know what you are disguising as, but it's not necessary. ​​​​​​ Appearing as the tenth Lookout with no will to the town will be enough to assume that you're not the Mafia and that you're just an AFK player or that you're new. But all other Lookouts will have wills! While Disguiser lacks strategy and abilities, it can compensate with deception, especially in ranked games, where many people keep tracks of who died and what available roles someone can claim. '''Nope, rule of Ranked is no will = Disguiser/Forger. And since Disguiser doesn't know what the hell it's doing, it will either have a totally incorrect will or just have no will.'''

Also what the fuck was the "Janitor to Mafia Support" thing for? xD Oh, I thought if Consigliere was removed then I should move Janitor to Mafia Support so there isn't just two roles (Blackmailer and Consort) in it. I suppose you forgot that "ranked mode" wasn't the only gamemode? c:

"This is not true at all, in Ranked games, any townie who does not have a will and is killed by Mafia, is automatically considered to be forged. Literally, even sometimes if a townie dies Night 1  and doesn't have a will, they're almost considering a Forger."

​​​​​​​I have never seen this xD

Also what the fuck Janitor IS STILL A MAFIA DECEPTION ROLE HOAEWFDS'

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