Board Thread:Debate of The Week/@comment-28112409-20181230235210/@comment-31256456-20190123231558

NapstablookInfinity wrote: Pokechurin wrote: Forger is probably the saddest role in all of existence that isn't Framer

Forger can't even forge wills because it has no info to work off of. The best thing it can do is wipe someone's will. Which, ya know, is very useful for getting rid of TI info and THAT'S ABOUT IT.

Oh, and TI's usually reveal their info, making this ability even MORE useless. but disguiser is shit because it's ability is completely useless, literally just a backup plan to its claim. A backup plan that never fucking works! Like how mental is that?

At least forger can SOMETIMES be useful. Disguiser is NEVER EVER useful because it's only ability is 100% useless and it's essentially just what I like to call the "Minion", which is just a Mafia role with no abilities whatsoever. Except disg has an ability but it's so useless that if it didn't have that ability the role wouldn't change much. Even WITH a consigliere, disguiser is still fucking useless because disguises just don't ever fool anyone ever. Ever.

Forger on the other hand, can be useful quite often, especially when a Consig or even a Blackmailer is around. It can forge a Sheriff or Investigator that chose to stay silent because they don't have any info (e.g. investigating the revealed mayor before they revealed), and they can frame someone else to make them look evil. And oh, Retributionists and Mediums don't really counter forger that much because by the time the day is ended, if the forger tricks the town, the player that is framed will most likely be lynched. Again, TI's always reveal their info, if they are smart. They know of possible Janitor and Forger problems, and reveal early.

Framer is predictable as hell. Everyone sees it. Disguiser isn't really useless actually. I've played plenty games where the Disguiser can easily play what it needs to play- Town like. They don't work if you make crappy wills and stay silent, but you're supposed to be an active member of Town.