Board Thread:Role Ideas (Town)/@comment-50.37.85.112-20190209234355/@comment-32651233-20190210205344

50.37.85.112 wrote: Orecreeper wrote: 50.37.85.112 wrote: 181.73.150.31 wrote: Town Mystic would be OP in Ranked. '''oh? '''Say vet kills n1 and vigi shoots n2, RT1 taken. ok, that's very rare but whatever Say BG dies n1 and doc heals you n2, RT2 taken, wow ranked is getting insanesay there's a transporter, RT3 taken. '''WTF. okay, i'm pretty sure in ANY CASE mafia is losing this.'''You know 2 evil names already if Neutral and Mafia are Mystics. '''your point being... It kinda looks like a sibling of the Psychic, IMO: As evil sometimes you can make it work and get the town to lynch the Town Mystic if you're lucky but then die the night after. um, ok? That's legit ONLY if those 3 RTs are taken.'''Knowing mystic's names means they can only claim Town Mystic and can only claim RT, reducing their own claim space. '''Is there a problem saying a TM is evil? A Town Mystic isn't confirmed. It's not like "Name" is the Mystic. like VIP. Dude. You've got deception. That's how Mafia works. - Budum Kksh'''

It's an interesting role for sure but needs to be reworked. Town Mystic fits Town Investigative more than Support in this state since it can gather information like a Jailor or a Medium but without killing power or actively talking to the dead''' or being confirmed as Town. Saying a Mystic is easy to confirm is like saying an Escort is easy to confirm when there's no Spy. The Consort doesn't have to claim RT. they can say that the Escort is a liar, that that person is a Consort. When they're dead, sure, claim RT. THATS HOW IT WORKS BUDDY'''. As a Mystic you can contact confirmed townies to organize information during the night and share thoughts and you can question suspicious people like a jailor. However, AGAIN, people will feel like they might not be able to trust them (unless there's a retributionist but that's a WHOLE other story).

It really feels like a strong role for town.

'''Y'know, the ENTIRE REASON why I took the time to saying that Mystics can be in 4 factions was for people TO NOT SAY THIS STUFF!!! Were you listening at all when I told you about the other factions? It really can't "confirm" itself from everything else, unless there's like a Spy/Sheriff in the game. However, this remains not saving you from Neutral Mystic. You're really only confirmed completely if:'''

You're dead.

A Consig/CL/PM confirms you.

Really, being ressed is the only reason someone might be "confirmed" as a Mystic. Yeah but Neutral Mystic really does not help anyone AT ALL. It's like taking Psychic and making a rehash out of it and slap Neutral in front of its name, give it a Witch goal, and then you  get a role that helps evils. It really doesnt. There is no reason why the town should worry about Neutral Mystic, because the goddamn role has no abilities whatsoever that can even affect the town in the least. All it does is sit there and chew claimspace. Okay sir. First of all: How is this a Psychic rehash?

Second of all: For the same thing that the anon 181.73.150.31 said, you can get claims out of people through the Mystic chat.

Third: You could get people to claim out to Mafia/Coven saying you are Neutral Mystic.

Fourth: "It's like taking Psychic and making a rehash out of it and slap Neutral in front of its name"??? It has Neutral in front of its name because there's different Mystics IN THE GAME. \

Fifth: Having claimspace is half of the role. If SK had the results Spy/Bmer/Jail/GA/sk, i'm pretty sure nobody would want to play as an SK.

Sixth: If the goal of the Town Mystic is to find evildoers (spoiler alert: it is) than why can't a Neutral Mystic try to find evildoers for the opposite reason?

Seventh: The "claimspace" will also help find evils, and you may speak annonymously.

Eighth: The whole POINT of a Neutral Mystic is TO HELP EVILS. It can do this via speaking to someone privately, speaking to possible allys at night, and using logical deduction with your mystical powers to find who your allys are and who aren't. There is ZERO way for the Neutral Mystic to be able to reliably find evils to communicate with. Reason? IT KNOWS EXACTLY HOW HECKING MUCH THE TOWN KNOWS. It is extremely unlikely that the Neutral Mystic would know who an evil is before the town, the only possibility is that a Consigliere or Witch found the Neutral Mystic beforehand and whispered him. Also, how, in the exact world, does Neutral Mystic's ability help the evils? Even if by some godsend it manages to find its allies, and then, what? IT CANT DO ANYTHING. ITS COMPLETELY USELESS NOW. Jester can make town not want to hang suspicious people. Executioner can make TI claims unreliable and can cause confusion. Witch can screw up TIs and can completely destroy vigilantes. Mystic is just kinda doing its own thing and can't really help evils that much.