Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31256456-20190830060531/@comment-31256456-20190901222355

Anons unite wrote: Zed: Look at vert's profile: his nickname is "vertroyer AKA douche", his occupation is
 * "MY OCCUPATION IS pissing off as many people as possible."

and, "Always remember that if I ever offended you in some way or form, you can be sure that I do not care one bit". He also states that he can be professional when needed.

So, yes, I agree that he should tone down with those stupid insults, but he does not try to "hide"it whatsoever. It's all over his profile. I know this was a PSA to the wiki and not vert himself, but his profile states he doesn't care if you get offended by him.

i personally don't really get offended at that, but i can certainly see why people can after actually thinking about what he's saying (no, i'm not trying to brag about not getting offended easily). I don't think vert's actively trying to be aggressive, just for humor.

'''No, this is definitely not humor. If this was humor, he wouldn't be serious about his complaints, which he is. '''

now, that being said, if such "humor" offends people, it's not bad necessarily. But if it's not funny AND offensive, that's when it's bad. That's the problem with his statements, there is no humor in them and no one finds it funny, so vert if youre reading this please tone it down. i know you say you don't care about offending people but you calling the staff a failure is too far.

'''The problem with Vert is he uses personal attacks. I always say attack the action, not the person. Attacking the person shows that you're trying to win the argument, not give constructive criticism.'''

Zed, you're mostly right now that i think of it, so vertroyer, stop pls. but you mentioned irrelevant things, like how much TOS he plays doesn't matter and doesn't put his argument down. Also, back to the boards stuff, poke is right, shutting down the off topic boards would increase activity. and to me, it just feels wrong. stop acting like you have the final say, like "the boards will not be shutting down". stop saying stuff like "he blinds people into agreeing with him", bascially calling me a sheep. what if the wiki takes a vote on it and they want to remove it? there are multiple admins, you know. I think this wiki should be more informative but if that's just vert and me against everyone else, then fine, i concede and am in the large minority. just because you hate vert's style of arguing doesn't make him incorrect. So, again,  I think there should be some sort of vote/compromise on what to do.

'''In all fairness, Vertroyer also makes statements like "well this has to be done" as if it were facts. Also, I do not see a time when Zed said "the boards will not be shutting down", he was simply presenting a viewpoint.'''

But i appreciate you having the balls to say this. As for the staff page, did you not see all the stuff vert said was wrong about it? Come on, it's so minor and nothing to get worked up about (talking to you and vert here, and even myself). Good rant on your part, though there were some parts that irked me(thinking you have the final say, calling me a sheep). So vert, please chill with that stuff, it really does offend some people. And, I am sorry for calling u "dumb", that is an example of something these discussion threads shouldn't have​​​​​​.

'''To me, I don't really care about if it "offends" people, the problem is the language used is meant to provoke someone. The more angry someone is while arguing, the less reasonable they sound, which is of course what Vertroyer wants.'''

'''He also uses arguments based off of personal insults and personal character rather than actions. You can't criticize someone for the person they are. You criticize their actions.'''