Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-32329805-20180721130520

So, before creating this thread, i have placed a trap at my front (and back) door, put on a bulletproof vest and hired a bodyguard. Should be enough. So, anyways,. It gets a lot of hate around here, but really, it isn't all that bad. Now, i'm not praising it like a god or anything, but it's just over hated.

"It Kills a lot of Townies"
Even if you predict who an evil role will go after, you're still leaving it up to Lady Luck whether or not you actually kill them, or if you kill another, irrelevant - or Town - role. This means you can even kill another Crusader if you both protect the same target. You have a higher chance of hitting a Townie than an evil early-game - and by the time evils become a more likely target, you'll likely be revealed. Which is a problem because...

So, the main argument here is that the RNG aspect causes you to kill many. Now, although i agree the RNG aspect should be removed, it doesn't end up killing  usually. Rather, it actually does this job, and ends up killing evil roles (heh jk it doesn't stop Blackmailing/Hexing/Framing it sux at its job).

It only has a Basic Attack
This means it cannot do a thing to any evil role with any sort of defense. That includes Serial Killer, Godfather, Juggernaut (after second kill), Coven Leader (with Necronomicon), Arsonist, Werewolf, etc. This is assuming it even hits one of them, which leads me to my second point.

Now, yes, it only has a Basic attack. This means it can't kill several roles, most of which involve killing *gasp*. However, killing those killing roles aren't the 's job, that's the. Their REAL Job is to Stop (er, avenge apparently) Blackmailing/Hexing/Framing. It doesn't do half bad with that goal, either.

It can't protect itself
While the Crusader sucks, its unpredictability as to who it will hit is a risk to anything without defense. That means it's still a target. And it can't do anything about being a target. The Doctor can self-heal, the Bodyguard can vest, but the Crusader has absolutely nothing. How fitting - it can't protect others effectively, why should it be able to protect itself?

can't either, and you don't go running around complaining about the. Or maybe you do, i just don't see why these roles need it. Not like they use it at all anyways it's not a scum autovest.

It wastes a Town Protective Slot
Not only is it totally useless, it wastes the most valuable slot in the game. In the same vein as Ambusher being a waste of a Mafia slot, the Crusader takes over from a role that might actually help the Town instead of being a negative utility, instead of something respectable like... well, every other TP role.

This is assuming it's bad, which i just countered.

It doc rehash Xddd
Do I really have to explain this one? It's a Doctor that kills a random visiting role, without any sense of priority toward evils. I assume its purpose was to take care of non-attacking evils, but if that's the case, why the hell would it be random as to whom it attacks?

The only thing similar at all between these roles is that they give Powerful defense, which All Town Protective roles do. 