Thread:Orecreeper/@comment-27398195-20180723195224/@comment-31680260-20180811041113

Akang22 wrote:

And does this apply to everything? Is watching YT fun? Do you put effort into it? '''When did I say it applied to everything? Of course it doesn't. But it applies to games, and (in case you didn't notice), ToS is a game.'''

Also, we didn't say anything of making it a free win. In fact, the whole point of the argument is to banish the idea of the free win. Sure, you can have fun by going the extra light year, but did you know, you can actually do much more. I was talking to Orecreeper.

And once again, fun is subjective so you can't say games aren't fun that you don't put effort in. '''Touché. But my other point still stands - if a game's not fun for you without effort, then you should put effort in to make it fun, no? Depends on the person.'''

So you're saying if there is this one person who is opposed to the recent arso buff, it shouldn't have happened? '''When did I say that? Arsonist was underpowered before the buff, and tbh, it still is. Introducing balance isn't a problem. Just look at Dead by Daylight - so many survivor mains are whining about all the nerfs they're getting, because survivors were definitely too powerful before the Exhaustion nerf. Now the game is more balanced, and people are whining. You can never make everyone happy.'''