Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-28092296-20190121030704/@comment-28092296-20190121154741

Pokechurin wrote: TheRetroPioneer wrote: [//town-of-salem.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:344489 https://town-of-salem.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:344489]

Honestly, I think this wiki lacks good judgement. As somebody that has spent a lot of time on this wiki, I would know that this wiki lacks a few degrees of wisdom & common sense. When I post a role idea or when I see somebody post a role idea, most reviews aren't about how to improve a role, it's about whether or not the role is good. I have even posted things alonog the lines of "I know this role is bad, tell me how to fix it." but I still don't get very many suggestions (if any at all).

'''Exactly! I'm working on this and I think constructive criticism is key. Everyone should listen to this, it's pretty much what I have been saying- and I think we can all listen. '''

I don't think anybody here is a bad person, I think most people here have some kind of archetype-fueled blindness. Like, when a new user posts a role idea that has been mentioned before, at least three people must rudely tell that new user that their role idea is overused and that it sucks. There are little kids that play this game, so they probably don't even know about role stereotypes like the Firefighter or the Postmortem Lookout. but they still get shit for it anyways. Or better yet, when somebody spends actual work making a role idea that is balanced but too similar to another role, and people give them shit for making it too similar to something else. I suppose some people have never suspected that people are posting on feedback threads to know whether or not their role is good and original. I would even bet that a lot of people aren't even confident in their role ideas and aren't trying to appease their audience.

'''Mhm, exactly. '''

I also hate that people shout at post revivers. Tell them that they were reviving, and then leave. If somebody above you has already said that user(s) XYZ have revived a threat, please don't post another comment about how somebody is reviving. If you do, then you are technically also reviving that post.

Yep.

Another thing that I don't like is that people are pretty stubborn. I don't see people using their 'Ladder of Inference' skills and checking things out from another perspective. Really, there's a lot of 'I'm going to argue from my point of view until I lose interest in your posts'.

'''I totally understand this, and I'm a pretty stubborn person, but I try my best to look at all views. Hopefully if I've disagreed with you in the past (Addressing everyone here) I've been respectful. '''

Let's talk ToTM. In my point of view, Townie of the Month has lost any meaning of accomplishment. The edit requirement I think isolates newer users from ever joining ToTM when they are able to, but also encourages edit grinding.

'''COMPLETELY COMPLETELY COMPLETELY AGREE. '''

If I'm correct, the original point of ToTM was to encourage people to make meaningful edits to the wiki. If you were a user with good judgement and good suggestions, you wouldn't be motivated by an award system to be said good and responsible person. Even if you were, once you win said award, you then have no other motivation to keep doing good things.

'''My GOD this is so true. '''

I also don't like the special name plauqe for winning the award. I don't think anybody thinks of somebody with a fancy name any differently, and new users are only confused by it.

'''To be honest I don't really care much about this, but a better system can be used. Perhaps ToTM+Role could be used, for example:'''

ToTM, Blackmailer

'''or something like that would be better. Or we could remove it. It's kind of silly but at the same time I do have fun looking at the ridiculous labels haha. '''

If there's anything good about this wiki, it's that everybody seems friendly on the Off Topic and Fun and Games board. That's the time I really see anybody being funny or nice or anything. Even when considering that the Meme fourms seem to be the most active, they're nice to visit to calm down and relax.

'''It's really cool that this is a thing. However, I do have concerns with the number of spam that is posted- we might disagree slightly here. I wish we could have more meaningful games. When someone makes a thread that says "count to 50 until firefighter" it isn't really that meaningful and it confuses new users. I am totally for things like "Mystery Achievements" for example, that is unique and really fun. '''

I suppose every once in a while we have an active or semi-active user that joins, but the wiki already has a lot of active and 'ex-active' members. At least I can recognize names like RubikJohn andZedKiller13 and like 20 other people's names. I know what the expect from everybody that is active.

I think the best quality about this wiki is that everybody seems pretty comfortable with what they're saying. This is an online community, so there isn't the great extent of peer pressure feeling that comes with real-life friendships. I guess what makes this wiki bad and undesirable—rude speech and immature posts—is also responsible for making the good qualities of this wiki—less peer pressure and more confident users. I guess what I'm saying is that this wiki is unique in such a way that I both hate it and like it.



Well, I really like this place, I really do.

'''But then there are moments where I just cannot understand why people would do such a thing. Maybe it's an overreaction, but I really think it can hurt the community.'''

'''Anyways, thank you SO MUCH for posting this. Finally, we can see more healthy discussion being produced, and I couldn't be any happier that we can discuss this finally!''' Alright this is going to become the new trend and I am TOTALLY FOR IT!!!!

As long as we can have the ethical discussion that is needed here I will always support opinion discussions like these! I do agree that the community does weird shit. I still like the wiki overall, though. I'm just not sure if I'm happy with it.