Board Thread:Role Ideas (Neutral)/@comment-28092296-20180912231304/@comment-28092296-20180914030737

ItsDan18 wrote: TheRetroPioneer wrote: Attack: Unstoppable This is OP if not for the nerf later on.Defense: Basic Standard, like all Neutral Killings

Abilties:

Attack somebody once per night for an unstoppable attack. However, if somebody visits you while attacking somebody, you will deal a basic attack to yourself. I don't know why someone would do that in real life, but ok.

If you choose to stay home, you will not be killed on visit. '''So basically if someone visited me while I was at home I wouldn't attack myself. OK.'''

Attributes:

You have temporary basic defense that disappears after one attack. '''Now, earlier, you said that you will deal a Basic attack to yourself if you are visited while attacking somebody. If someone visits you TWICE IN A ROW while trying to kill someone, this unnamed Killing role is essentially dead. '''

Invest Results:

Sheriff: NS '''Hm... Maybe "Your target is a/an [unnamed killing role]!"'''

Invest: Vigi, Vet, Mafioso, [Pirate], [Ambusher], [this role] These investigation results were chosen for a reason—the veteran. This role can function like an effective veteran, and there is no current Neutral role for classic mode in this invest result. No. Six roles in a single Investigator result is too much.

Reveal: [unsure yet] I assume this is a Reveal Potion usage, which can also apply to the Consigliere and Coven Leader results.

Goal: Kill all who would oppose you. (standard NK winning conditions) Yeah, same old win conditions.

'''I'd say, in the end, it's a UP role. Any visits will cause you to attack yourself, which can lead to your untimely doom. Its attack value is too high (enough to kill other NKs, which should not be possible) (also enough to kill anyone who is healed by a Doctor or saved by a Guardian Angel.) and its one-time defense is not really great. '''

I give it a C- for effort. Looking over certain feedback:

"'''I don't know why someone would do that in real life, but ok." '''Mostly a game mechanic and not for lore, lol.

"Now, earlier, you said that you will deal a Basic attack to yourself if you are visited while attacking somebody. If someone visits you TWICE IN A ROW while trying to kill someone, this unnamed Killing role is essentially dead." Most people don't visit twice in a row; the same argument can be made for any NK role and deathnotes; so I'm not sure how valid this is.

'''"its one-time defense is not really great." '''I'd request suggestions from both you and other people​​​​​​ for help here.

"Its attack value is too high (enough to kill other NKs, which should not be possible)​" This does not make sense to me, since most neutral roles are able to kill other NK roles.

You did make a point with the Sheriff, but I'm not sure how necesssary it is. Maybe not.